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749:- Reply for Mansford: When a fatal airliner accident occurs, a country's aircraft accident investigation authority (sometimes the same as the civil aviation authority) will investigate it and determine why it happened, and come up with measures to prevent it. Because of the inherent processes from civil aviation authorities and accident investigation authorities to come up with measures to prevent future occurrences, all fatal aircraft accidents are notable. This is why the WP:AIRCRASH essay is used by the project. Check the Venezuelan aviation authority's pages to see any announcements about this incident. Also, check Spanish language newspapers, who documented this incident. 373:
Problem I have here is that 1) from what I can tell, the intent doesn't mean that every wreck - deadhead or otherwise, pilot error or otherwise - should be included, and 2) it doesn't fall into the general rules at all. Other than that the bird wrecked, there are really no unusual circumstances
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employee or a passenger on an air carrier is killed or seriously injured by the crash of an airplane, should be inherently notable. ("an accident which involves a scheduled or charter air carrier" and "an occurence that results in serious injury or loss of life is an accident by definition").
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Ok, you've pointed out (at least) twice that you helped write it. Great. Then I'll change what I said. I'll say that I feel your criteria is wrong and is too broad if it includes an event like this. Then point out that it is an essay and not a policy so, while helpful, it does not have to be
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disagree but you now have a good argument to support your point of view - one that stands a much better chance of getting the article deleted! And, yes, I was getting fed up repeating myself to people who felt what it said wasn't what it really said, if you get what I said... ;)
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The general rules are additional criterea that can be applied to all modes, they don't need met. Only one of any criterea listed there needs met to meet that guideline (or essay or project guideline, or whatever these things are presently called).
188:. Just being a commercial aircraft doesn't qualify it. Note, here, that it also wrecked while deadheading - the article doesn't explain what happened insofar as cause or aftermath effect, only that the crew of 3 died in the wreck. -- 218:
I've seen. The article explains that this bird with this tail number wrecked into some South American volcano, and then describes the history of the particular bird, as if it were a history for the plane.
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commercial airliner on an international flight crashes into volcano, no doubt will have much coverage and investigative reports from both countries and the country of manufacture as well.
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I just looked through the history of the article and didn't see anything about a bird in any of the recent revisions. Can you check them to let me know what you're talking about?
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as per Niteshift36. WP:AIRCRASH should not be read too literally, and non-passenger flight accidents of planes owned by carriers should not be automatically notable.
623:- the only criteria it meets is "It is an accident which involves a scheduled or charter air carrier." which considering the rest of the criteria seems unduly weak. 405:. 'Every wreck' does indeed fall under the guideline as it presently stands. There aren't really that many beyond the obviously notable ones with large fatalities, 132: 86: 518: 544: 649:
I would hardly consider that to be 'weak'. Since when is "I don't like the way this essay is written" a valid reson to say it violates said essay?
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therefore applies. Including two-three more per year is relevant enyclopedic information without risk of turning us into a directory.
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I suppose I could see in what ways WP:AIRCRASH could be changed. IMO it sets the bar right in terms of fatal accidents.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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sets the bar too low. We are discussing a revised version on the talk page, and would value your input.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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I helped develop WP:AIRCRASH. It meets both the intended spirit of the original authors
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is an essay, not policy. Essentially, the suggestion from the essay is that
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Given your explanation, I think I can defer to that. =) --
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followed, therefore can't really be "violated". Better?
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I also don't think that 822:06:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC) 791:23:37, 10 July 2009 (UTC) 374:documented about this. -- 69:23:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC) 832:Please do not modify it. 777:19:39, 9 July 2009 (UTC) 759:17:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC) 742:14:42, 8 July 2009 (UTC) 699:10:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC) 685:Much better. 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2008 Conviasa Boeing 737 crash
2008 Conviasa Boeing 737 crash
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