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The result was delete. Deville (Talk) 01:30, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Mimori (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable minor writer. No third-party references to verify notability claims have been added in the 2+ years since the article was created, and the Japanese version of the article is similarly bare of any reference sources. DAJF (talk) 23:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was Delete. Pastor Theo (talk) 00:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Dantwann crane (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Notability is asserted so A7 does not apply, but I haven't been able to find sources to verify the claims in the article. A Google News Archive search returns no reliable sources. The only proof of this individual's accomplishments can be found on his website. Cunard (talk) 23:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. (X! · talk)  · @501  ·  11:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Kyle Brogan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Not notable Jack Pinchwife (talk) 23:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. (X! · talk)  · @501  ·  11:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Christopher A Allen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Notability is asserted so A7 does not apply, but I haven't been able to find sources to verify the claims in the article. A Google News Archive search returns no results about this person. Cunard (talk) 23:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Delete. There are no citations or references to indicate sources of the information in the article. I was hesitant to mark for deletion because the article appears to justify notability. However, without citations or refs, the article appears as a hoax.--TRL (talk) 23:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. (X! · talk)  · @501  ·  11:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Cavallino LLC (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable company. Article is written like a cross between an advert and a bio for the founder. Only thing that's even close to notability is that the founder wrote a book, but as notability isn't inherited so therefore cannot be carried on to the company. SPA user whose first edit was to remove the CSD notice, followed by their 2nd edit to remove it again, so it seems there's some CoI there. Rather than getting into an edit war I've brought it to afd. WebHamster 22:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

No imputation, but merely a notice: please see Knowledge:Single-purpose account.
  • Delete - no coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject to establish notability. Brief mentions are not the same as coverage. -- Whpq (talk) 15:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Redirect can be created if necessary. –Juliancolton |  21:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

College football's ten most victorious programs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Article should likely be deleted or merged into the NCAA Division I FBS National Football Championship article due to the arbitrary nature of cutting the list off at ten, and the lack of references justifying the top ten list. The article also duplicates information found elsewhere and seems to be WP:POV / WP:OR. For further information and discussion on this proposal, see CrazyPaco's discussion on NCAA Division I football win-loss records talk page and the NCAA Division I FBS National Football Championship talk page. Cardsplayer4life (talk) 22:18, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I am working on a complete Claimed National Championship List in my sandbox that will replace the one in the top 10 article and be placed in the NCAA Division I FBS National Football Championship article. The previous list on the top 10 article contained errors (although I had since updated it with my new information). Such a list of university's claims is complicated, but I'm hoping to have a relatively complete and thoroughly referenced one soon. I have also updated the table in the NCAA Division I football win-loss records article through 2008 per the NCAA Records Book. It is now sortable by wins or percentage thereby replicating the information in the top 10 article in a more comprehensive fashion minus the POV. CrazyPaco (talk) 01:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. A potential merger can be discussed elsewhere, but there is no consensus for deletion. –Juliancolton |  21:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Billy Rosewood (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Delete - no independent reliable sources appear to get this past notability. The notability of the film series does not extend to every fictional character within the series. Otto4711 (talk) 22:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was withdraw nomination. Tavix |  Talk  22:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Teashark (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Not notable Cybercobra (talk) 21:20, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep - there are 44 GNews hits for this web browser, and actually I don't see a single press release in the bunch. The first page of results are mostly blogish posts and thus not very useful. However, there are quite a few foreign language reliable sources on pages 2-5. The language of coverage is, of course, irrelevant, and thus the GNG are reached through coverage in multiple reliable sources.

Additionally, there are a few RS English reviews of the browser, such as Softpedia, CNET Australia, and WAP Review (technically a blog, but I would considet it an RS for purposes of product review) --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:54, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Withdraw CNET Australia is sufficient for me. The article still definitely needs work though. --Cybercobra (talk) 22:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. –Juliancolton |  21:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Gateshead F.C. season 2006–07 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Article detailing a season for a club playing in regional league, which I do not believe is article-worthy, and precedents have been set here and here. I am also nominating:

for the same reason. Note that I have not nominated Gateshead F.C. season 2009–10, a season in which the club will play in a national league, as I believe this needs further discussion before a separate AfD. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. SilkTork * 21:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Magritte (software) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

All that I can find is a bunch of trivial mentions in multiple searches. Fails WP:N. Iowateen (talk) 21:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete No external sources give to establish notability. --Cybercobra (talk) 21:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 00:00, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete, a minor open-source meta-description and meta-data framework. OK, so what does it do? - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:55, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep - for now. I think your critique is not valid as to 'what does it do' — framework is something you can build stuff on, so that term defines what it does - ie. set of blocks to build or define aspects of your services. While smalltalk and squeak are pretty awesome and very notable developements in computing, I must say so far Magritte hasn't made any big splashes yet. I don't see notability through publicity or numbers happen. Whether it is pioneering effort - yes, its new type of approach to framework. Whether this article is a keeper. Well... I am not totally sure (notablity: 0, popularity: low, remarkable software: yes). Casimirpo (talk) 00:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
    • You saying that it is remarkable software is your opinion and has nothing do with the notability guidelines. Iowateen (talk) 00:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
      • No, it enables type of changes and developement that is not possible with other similar frameworks is what I am saying, enabling changes to the data(base)- and/or object-models of the service or app being built both 1. after the interfaces and logic dealing with that data have been set up without having to modify (all of) that logic and interfaces and 2. by people who do not have the skills to manipulate the logic and interfaces (ie. not having to program to change the model to suit the needs directed at the app/service). Ie. not subjective imo thing. Notable in technical sense. Casimirpo (talk) 00:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - No coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. We do not judge directly the notability by deciding that it a bit of remarkable technology. We let the independent reliable sources decide on its remarkability to establish notability by covering the software. If really is remarkable, the coverage will come and recreation of the article then would be appropriate. -- Whpq (talk) 15:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete per User:Whpq. — Error 03:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was No consensus to delete. This is the wrong forum to decide between redirecting an article and keeping it separate. Flowerparty 00:45, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Blastoise (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Article about an arbitrary Pokémon without any significant coverage from reliable third-party sources. I've searched and there doesn't appear to be sources with critical discussion on the character. Artichoker 19:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Redirect - The rest is fine, but it has hardly anything to make a critical reception section with. Referencing most of the article with a few interviews is nice, but it doesnt make it automaticly notable. --Blake (talk) 19:54, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep - I think that the references in the article do satisfy the requirements. They just arent in the form of a separate paragraph like the other articles. --Blake (talk) 01:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
What do you mean by "They just arent in the form of a separate paragraph like the other articles"? Theleftorium 16:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Instead of having a whole section about the reception, like the other articles, the reception is spread out throughout the article, in a way. Zap found a book that talks all about Blastoise, what he did, how popular he is, etc and used it all over the article. I think this is a new generation of articles in the making. Not every Pokémon can have a big giant reception section like Pikachu, who is painted on a plane, and has a virus named after it. --Blake (talk) 16:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
But that's not really reception. His sources are mostly gameguide materials that discuss the attributes of Blastoise in an in-universe style. This is different from the critical discussion that is needed to fill up a "Reception" section. Artichoker 16:34, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict) You say "the reception is spread out throughout the article", but I can't find it anywhere. Theleftorium 16:37, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, it depends on your definition of "reception". If it means how notable is the Pokémon, then there are plenty of things.

This tortoise-like Pokémon is well-known for being featured on the cover of one of the first Pokémon games, Pokémon Blue, as well as Pokémon Stadium......Blastoise is the final evolved form of Squirtle, one of the Pokémon players may receive at the beginning of playing Pokémon Red or Blue, and the remakes of those games......Described in Notre Dame's The Observer as "a tank of a turtle",......Blastoise also appears in Super Smash Bros and Super Smash Bros Melee as one of many Pokemon that a fighter can send out after throwing a Poke Ball......and is the main Pokémon on Green's team.

But, thats probably not what you mean. Why does a Pokémon need to be notable outside of the series? That doesnt make any sense. Satoshi Tajiri isnt notable outside of making the games. Why does he deserve a page? Alot of the manga series we have pages for arent notable outside of Pokémon. Why do they have pages? Because they are notable in the series. I think everyone is looking too deep into the rules. --Blake (talk) 16:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
The last two sentences you provided are not reception. Also, "notable outside the series" means that it has received critical reception from independent third-party sources. Unlike Blastoise, a quick search of Satoshi Tajiri shows that he satisfies that criterion. Artichoker 17:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
"This tortoise-like Pokémon is well-known for being featured on the cover of one of the first Pokémon games, Pokémon Blue."
"Blastoise is a well-known Pokémon because of its role in the video games, but it makes relatively few appearances in the anime."
(from below, not yet in the article)"Blastoise's role in the video games has been described as an 'impressive... tank'—compared with Wobbuffett, 'except, that it can actually defend itself'."
How are these sentences not considered critical reception? Plus, just to throw it out there, KaZaA reformed under a company called Blastoise, among others. And while i have yet to find an article connecting the two (or saying where the got the name from at all), it's not unreasonable to assume that someone out there wrote something about it, and it's as coherent a connection to our real-world as naming a leptin after pikachu. --ΖαππερΝαππερ Alexandria 19:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
1. It makes an evaluative claim on whether or not it is well-known (Is Blastoise obscure, somewhat well-known, one of the best known?).
2. It gives the reason (Because it's on the cover of one of the first games, and evolves from a starter).
--ΖαππερΝαππερ Alexandria 00:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
      • (ec)One article in a publication is hardly significant coverage, but it does help the text if the article is kept. Maybe a better question is if Beckett's is a WP:RS that has been discussed by WP:VG/S. —Ost (talk) 22:44, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
        • actually, Beckett would fall outside of the scope of the Video Game wikiProject as by default the publisher usually works with trading card games. The info they provide relating to the video games is solely related to Blastoise. being familiar with the topic myself, i found it generally accurate, making fewer technical errors than most mainstream outlets when discussing pokemon. If you'd like, you can pick one up at Wal-Mart right now and have a look-see. Your assertion that an article within a publication does not constitue significant coverage runs counterintuitive to the notion of coverage that is "more than trivial" which is usually meant to include passing mentions - not full articles. --ΖαππερΝαππερ Alexandria 00:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 23:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • comment - would it help if i added the author's opinions on Blastoise? I personally don't feel most author's reviews are accurate descriptions of how the general population would describe a given subject (and one always has to take those things with a grain of salt), but if editors here feel that putting something like this would improve the article, I would go ahead:
    • Blastoise's role in the video games has been described as an "impressive... tank", and compared with Wobbuffett except, "that it can actually defend itself".
--ΖαππερΝαππερ Alexandria 00:41, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Even if the article is reliable and provides said significant independent coverage (it's print so I cannot readily access it right now), but are there other sources out there that can provide similar or more (critical real world) coverage of Blastoise? MuZemike 01:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
So, you are saying that that is a good reference, but there needs to be more? --Blake (talk) 01:14, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
perhaps, but as i will readily admit, there is likely nothing online that someone can do with a google search (or this would have been settled long ago). Finding more sources would require real-outside-work and i think i personally did enough in finding these two (the MacDonald one was from the old version) that i shouldn't have to be fighting it in an AFD. Presuming I'm not pulling these sources out of my ass (and i have a spotless editing record here), the existence of these sources satisfy WP:N and it's an open and shut case. --ΖαππερΝαππερ Alexandria 01:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep Clearly a notable character in this multi-billion dollar series. Enough valid information to fill an article, so no reason to erase 90% or more of that and shove what is left into another article. Keep, not merge or redirect, which are the same as delete in most cases. Dream Focus 11:55, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep Plenty of material and references for an article about this important character in an important series. — brighterorange (talk) 12:57, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Redirect as above. The sources usable for GNG provide excellent references for Pokemon (as creatures) on the whole. If there are several independent real-world-focus articles such as The Observer one, with Blastoise as their primary subject, then I'll be convinced that an individual article is required. Marasmusine (talk) 17:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
    • the article does not have to meet your own personal requirements in addition to WP:V and (to a lesser extent) WP:N. articles about dogs are focused on animals, articles about apples are focused on food, articles about Blastoise can be focused on Pokemon. The video games, anime, etc. exist within our real world (they were created by a real person, i can buy them) just as much as animals and food. --ΖαππερΝαππερ Alexandria 05:08, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
    • and doesn't the Cooper one satisfy your requirement? --ΖαππερΝαππερ Alexandria 07:23, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
      • "articles about dogs are focused on animals, articles about apples are focused on food, articles about Blastoise can be focused on Pokemon." is a somewhat egregious analogy (akin to one made by creationists). Articles about dogs are not focused on animals, they are focused on dogs and are always talked about in an real life, out-of-universe style with plenty of 3rd party (there really aren't any 1st party ones) sources to establish notability. Pokémon is completely different, as it is a fictional topic, and thus must abide by WP:IN-U. The Blastoise article just doesn't have the critical, real-world discussion required for an adequate article. Artichoker 16:24, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
      • In case it wasn't clear, my opinion was based on the WP:GNG. Marasmusine (talk) 17:33, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Artichoker, before reiterating the same opinion over and over, it would be helpful if you instead addressed my above question as to how the provided sentences do not satisfy the requirements for real-world reception, here's the diff in case you just missed it. Additionally, WP:IN-U is about talking about fictional subjects as if they really existed, not appropriateness of topics or requirements for inclusion.
    • Marasumine, from WP:GNG:"If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." Where are the words real-world-focus articles that you say your opinion is based on? --ΖαππερΝαππερ Alexandria 20:46, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep The topic is clearly notable as demonstrated by the numerous sources which reference it. Criticism is not required in an article and so the nominator's premise is false. Colonel Warden (talk) 22:23, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
    • "Criticism"? I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. I did say that the article needs critical discussion, which is absolute true, because without it there exists no grounds for notability. In other words, unless an article has coverage from reliable, third-party sources, it is not notable. Artichoker 23:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Your nomination demands "'critical discussion'". Sorry, but that is just your idiosyncratic view as topics are not required to present opinions, just facts. Colonel Warden (talk) 06:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Fictional topics pretty much have to present opinions as that is how notability is established: the article receives critical coverage from independent sources. And a "Reception" section presents how the character was received (i.e. an opinion.) Artichoker 16:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  • No, opinions are not required. This creature appears in sundry formats - TV, movie, book, game, TCG, etc. The facts of these presentations are quite ample for our purposes and we don't need opinions on whether it is cute, silly or whatever. Colonel Warden (talk) 19:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  • No, there's no connection between the degree of distance of the source and the way that it approaches the topic. Third-party source can and do approach the topic in a matter-of-fact way. Colonel Warden (talk) 21:21, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment - I want to mention that if the article does indeed stay an article, I will be moving some things back over from Knowledge:WikiProject Pokémon/Blastoise. I saved the content before Zap started removing half of it. I think for some reason he thought that the article was being deleted because there was too much in-universe information. Which is silly, because as long as articles have the proper notability, they could be a big giant mess and could still be an article.--Blake (talk) 13:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
    • actually, that was normal cleanup i would have done anyways, i had mentioned on the project page i would be continuing to work on the article, and i did - plus sometimes it helps in afd discussions if people can see that there are ongoing efforts to improve the article in question, but we can discuss specific content changes on the article's talk page when the smoke settles here. --ΖαππερΝαππερ Alexandria 14:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
      • Well, I added the 2nd lead pharagraph back because that is what every Pokemon species should have. The lead first describes what the subject is in the first pharagraph, and a summary of the article in following pharagraphs. I also added the mention of the two Gym leaders in the anime, and will add to the Manga section once I get to referencing the bit I want to add. --Blake (talk) 14:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
    • (extra rambling by zappernapper, feel free to ignore) the discussion here actually represents quite well the current state of wikipedia in regards to fiction. the discussion has polarized into two factions that cannot compromise, and compromise is the essence of consensus (if you'd like a good book, go through the archives of WT:FICT). blake, you have actually represented consensus very well because despite the fact that you'd like to see each pokemon have it's own article again (which i can empathize with), you can accept that there is a significant group of editors who view that to be detrimental to the encyclopedia, so you compromise. problems arise when editors cannot accept any compromise, taking a firm position, and refusing to believe even a modest concession could be beneficial. --ΖαππερΝαππερ Alexandria 14:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Withdraw nomination Improperly nominated. There are many reasons to keep and delete, but the one that trumps them all is that the nominator has quite clearly used this AfD as part of an edit war. "18:42, 7 July 2009 Artichoker (talk | contribs) (66 bytes) (going ahead and boldly making this a redirect. no notability, goes against consensus etc. A further revert will result in this article being taken to AfD.) (undo) " Discussion before, during, and after. If there are active editors with opposing views on the article, and if consensus cannot be reached, RfC. Definitely RfC before AfD. AfDs in the middle of, with the nominator a participant in, an edit war, and NO...DISCUSSION...AT...ALL? Incomprehensible. Withdraw the nomination, and ANI may look more kindly upon you. You have 18 hours. Use them wisely. Anarchangel (talk) 15:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
    • I'm sorry, but I don't believe you know what you are talking about. This AfD was not part of an edit war, it was created to garner a consensus within the community. The result of the AfD should eliminate the content dispute we were involved in. RfC is an unnecessary step when dealing with the notability of an article, as it can simply be taken to AfD: that's what the process is for'. And I'm sorry, but this statement "NO...DISCUSSION...AT...ALL? Incomprehensible." is just plain offensive. It is obvious you have not done enough research before making your bold (and completely fallacious) claims. Please take a look at Knowledge talk:WikiProject Pokémon#Blastoise for the extensive dicussion that took place prior to and during this AfD. And of course you end your comment with the portent of ANI; unnecessary, threatening, escalating. If you still believe the report is justified, go ahead. Artichoker 16:17, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
      • I'd just like to point out that discussions about these species articles have taken place at the project's talk page for months now. Theleftorium 16:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
        • Yes, but a new discussion has to happen each time new information is found for each Pokémon. You cant just say no Pokemon are notable except the ones we have articles for now. We havent searched for sources for hours on every single Pokemon. Only a select few, and even then, new information pops up everyday. --Blake (talk) 17:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Keep as disamb page SilkTork * 21:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Tork (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Delete no indication that the subject of this unsourced one-line article is notable. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

We should probabally just revert it back to the redirect. It seem to be quite plasuable and it has existed as a redirect for almost 15 months.--76.71.214.47 (talk) 23:03, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Revert back to the redirect - Torque per 76.71.214.47. I have removed the A3 tag, which does not apply, since this is a valid stub. I have done searches for sources and have been unable to find anything to establish the notability of this video game, so a redirect is the best course of action. Cunard (talk) 23:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Replace with disambig page as previously stated. --Taelus (talk) 21:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete in its present form: restoring redirect would make sense. A fairly brief search on Google produced only one reference to this game, a forum post at , which says "We've been developing a racing game named Tork...we hope to finish the project in a short time. Currently, looking for volunteered artists". Clearly a product of amateur programmers, who have presumably put it on Knowledge in the hope of getting publicity. No evidence of notability at all: in fact if it said a little more it might qualify for a speedy delete as promotional (G11). JamesBWatson (talk) 20:35, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was Delete. Pastor Theo (talk) 00:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Green Festival (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable local event. Appears to fail WP:NOTE. Some GHits but no substantial GNEWS. ttonyb1 (talk) 19:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Deville (Talk) 01:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Lozar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Delete no indication that the winery which is the subject of this unreferenced one-line article is notable; fails WP:CORP. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Delete One line article, no secondary sources, no indication of notability of the company. didnt find much in an internet search aside from wine reviews Ottawa4ever (talk) 19:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Delete same reasons as Ottawa4ever and Carlossuarez46 above.--BodegasAmbite (talk) 23:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. –Juliancolton |  16:15, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Facepunch Studios (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Article appears to failWP:WEB. Although there are a large number of GHits, the site lacks any substantial GNEWS. ttonyb1 (talk) 15:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Delete Non-notable web content. KMFDM FAN 18:38, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was speedy delete because obvious hoaxes are vandalism. And this was an obvious hoax. It purported to define ragnad as an army sufficiently large to tip the balance in a war with the gods, relating this to Ragnarök. Now, Ragnarök means "fate" or "twilight of the gods"; this would make ragnad mean "D of the gods". Make of that what you will. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:06, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

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I can't find any information online to verify the existence of this concept, which is purportedly found in Norse mythology. I would expect some scholarly hits. Gonzonoir (talk) 18:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was keep. Spartaz 08:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Torchwood: Original Television Soundtrack (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

There are no reliable third-party sources to establish this page's notability. The user who added the Amazon reference was well-intentioned, but retailers' websites do not qualify as reliable third-party sources. ╟─TreasuryTag►duumvirate─╢ 17:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Considering treelo has put this up for deletion the same day I use the equality arguement, it makes it even more notable than before. As ever, full of crap to filter information, instead of being neutral. 86.139.225.200 (talk) 23:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry? If you noticed, this specific AfD was done several days before mine which I withdrew because this already exists but not on the back of your argument at all. It's equality in that both articles aren't any more notable than each other but I'm not sure how that makes either more notable. Also, cut it back with the personal attacks, nobody has insulted you so no need to insult anyone else. treelo radda 00:00, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
10th July was yesterday. Why don't you stop trying to curtail an information resource? You probably won't answer the question again though as you're too high and mighty. 86.139.141.144 (talk) 10:44, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Flowerparty 00:30, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

2010 in heavy metal music (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This article is discussing 2010 in music in July of 2009 - a clear violation of WP:CRYSTAL. Intelligentsium 17:03, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Yep. Have you? I'm not assuming bad faith (i.e. intent to disrupt or cause harm). I'm assuming that if you feel this "clearly violates WP:CRYSTAL" then you probably haven't read it. And certainly if you give no explanation as to WHY it violates it, then that is the logical assumption. 81.155.114.171 (talk) 20:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment - I think the title of the article is the issue here. If it were "2010 Heavy Metal Album Releases" (or something similar) I would have no problem with it fitting into the "If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented." section of the WP:CRYSTAL section. As the wording stands right now the page is open to all sorts of additional information...even if it's not there right now. Sabiona (talk) 21:03, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
    • I'm with you on that. I would move it, but I think since the article is in an AfD debate it would be best to get the opinions of other people first. KMFDM FAN 22:27, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, that particular bit mentions being about specific events. The events given (so far indeed only releases) are well-documented. But this is just the next in a whole series of "X year in heavy metal music" articles, so it is open to other things (events, reformations, disbandments, etc), but this has always been the case. We don't have any of those right now, but we do have plenty of expected releases. Anyway, to me I think it's fine. The title is open to more, but it will have to be soon enough, and for what it is now there are sources. 87.194.171.224 (talk) 12:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Asserts notability as a prolific radio host, but no sources found. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 17:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep, but beef up the article. I've never heard of this guy (he's not in my part of the state), so I don't have that kind of bias. A quick Google search turned up a lot of hits on his name. Many were on websites for stations that run his show or teams for which he does play-by-play, so they aren't purely 3rd party. Many more were blogs, so they aren't reliable sources. Additionally, he's often quoted in news stories (most recently in stories about Steve McNair's death). I did find a couple of print articles that are mostly about him that could be cited in the article, but since there were discrepancies with details in the articles, I simply documented the links on the talk page (let someone more knowledgable sort them out). Based on all that, I concluded that Mr. Plaster is notable, but we still need the sources to show it. Additionally, I discovered that there is a George Plaster bobblehead doll (I suppose that's some sort of indication of notability!), which I documented in the article. --Orlady (talk) 23:20, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, the Plas bobblehead was a big hit at the Sounds game it was given away at. I was thinking the fact that I listened to him every day might cloud my judgment on this one...so I strayed from a full-on keep. --Smashville 15:58, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was Delete as per the concerns raised in this discussion. Pastor Theo (talk) 00:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

The Last Block in Harlem (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable book. No third-party reliable sources found. The article's creator appears to be affiliated with the publisher judging by the editor name. bonadea contributions talk 16:17, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The book was published two months ago and I can't find any reviews or substantial informations on it. We don't have an article for author and quick Google Search reveals, that he isn't notable enough. It looks like a self-promotion. --Vejvančický (talk) 16:34, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

This is a real book. The ISBN number is: 978-0-578-02068-6 You can see a copy at: http://www.canalpublishing.com Also, it is available on Amazon at: http://www.amazon.com/Last-Block-Harlem-ebook/dp/B00295S4VQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246984267&sr=8-1 Also, it is currently being sold at St. Mark's Books and Housing Works Bookstore in NYC.— Canalpub (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 12:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC).

Yes, I believe that the book is real, but this is not the point here. Try to look here for better understanding the criteria, please.--Vejvančický (talk) 16:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I guess you only take books that were produced in a giant corporate structure. This is a ligit publishing company and a ligit book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canalpub (talk • contribs) 17:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC) — Canalpub (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

May I ask you to please read the information provided to you by Vejvančický? Because the link in Vejvančický's comment explains why the article is not acceptable, and that has nothing to do with "giant corporate structures", nor has anybody doubted for a second that the book or the publishing house exist. --bonadea contributions talk 17:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I hear you. Though in order for all of that to happen for a book, you need to go through a major publisher and pay to have your book in stores. I think that with the advent of indi publishing, the rules should change. Why not? I have my book in bookstores, and selling it to the public, have it on Amazon, and trying to make it outside of the corp. world. Check me out. It is ligit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canalpub (talk • contribs) 18:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC) — Canalpub (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Yes, it is my publishing company. What is wrong with that? should I do it under a different name? I have been trying to get listed in Google and cannot. I do not know their formula. It's driving me crazy. If you Google Search Canal Publishing, then I am on the top of the list. Soon, the book will be getting reviews. The post I put about the company and the book are completely objective. Just stating facts. Come on! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canalpub (talk • contribs) 20:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete - does not meet notability at present. If it gets written up in the Times or other relevant media, then perhaps it'll be worth an article then; right now, this looks like a promotional effort. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:50, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Isn't the internet changing what is thought to be "Relevant Media?" After all, the Times and other papers like it are going under because people do not consider them to be news enough to keep purchasing. I hear what you are saying though. This is not a promotional effort. The book is being read and reviews are coming. Give the little guy a shot!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canalpub (talk • contribs) 21:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • For the record, I own a small publishing venture with seven books to its credit. It doesn't have a Knowledge article (and has never had one), because it isn't notable.

    The reason why we can't "give the little guy a shot" is because if we didn't have guidelines like notability, we'd be drowning in millions of articles from people alive to the marketing possibilities of Knowledge and who see our encyclopaedia as offering free webspace for their promotional material. Delete.—S Marshall /Cont 21:42, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete by the creator's own admission this is a very new book, and as such i find it hard to say it is automatically notable. Notable works are those which have generated comment from third-party sources. Come back in six months and if you managed to generate enough buzz elsewhere it might be appropriate here. --ΖαππερΝαππερ Alexandria 22:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Well I will tell you this. When the title becomes huge, you can be sure that you will remember this thread. I love the open discussion here and the democracy generated by the users. All of you are clamoring for deletion while the book is gaining steam here in New York. Whatever you decide I will abide with. Let me ask, if somebody, one of the people who have read the book wanted to write an article on it, what would you all say? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canalpub (talk • contribs) 23:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying. Therefore, I invite you all to my site: http://www.canalpublishing.com to read the first 3 chapters of the book for yourself. Perhaps you will like it, order a copy for yourself, and then write a review? There are a few reviews coming out in the next few weeks, so I will wait and let the web take its natural course. Please feel free to keep this thread going. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canalpub (talk • contribs) 04:55, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was merge to Reel Big Fish. Spartaz 08:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Buy This! (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable demo album. Fails WP:NALBUMS:

"Demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only, and unreleased albums are in general not notable; however, they may be notable if they have significant independent coverage in reliable sources" KMFDM FAN 15:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was merge into Billy Mays. Nosleep 15:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

List of products that Billy Mays pitched (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Violates WP:NOTDIR - Knowledge is not a directory of everything that exists or has existed. I understand people were entertained by this guy (for some reason), but this really is recentism at its peak. I doubt anyone is going to care what commercials this guy was in in a year or two's time. I don't believe this to be analogous to filmography for, all respect for the dead, real performers. We keep track of those things for just about anyone (or, at least, we can and it would be entirely reasonable), but we don't keep track of commercials that people have been in, even for people known partly for being in commercials - show me List of products endorsed by Peyton Manning or List of products endorsed by Michael Jordan. You can't, because those aren't reasonable articles. Nosleep 15:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Delete-We could delete this article, and make a new section in the billy mays article called "Things Billy Mays was best known for pitching" or something. We should mention some of the things billy mays pitched, but not every single one. And in reply to Tavix, yes musicans have discography's, but the discography's have information on the things the musician is notable for. The discography's don't have EVERYTHING the musician has it's name on, such as bootleged albums. KMFDM FAN 20:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Keep How is this any different than an actor's filmography? If Tom Cruise can have one (http://en.wikipedia.org/Tom_Cruise_filmography), why cant Billy Mays? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.5.7.4 (talk) 21:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Because Cruise's filmography doesn't include commercials.KMFDM FAN 22:22, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
But Cruise did MOVIES. He didn't do commercials or was he known exclusively for doing them. Tavix |  Talk  22:44, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep The page listing the products that Billy Mays pitched is very important. I was looking for a list and this was the most concise list that I found. To say that such a list is not needed in Knowledge articles is not only incorrect, but there are other lists, such as Law and Order, that highlight every single episode made, who was in them, and the content of the show. How is that different from listing "episodes" or infomercials that Billy Mays made? Please keep this page! And if someone could tell me how to add my vote to keeping this page, it would be very much appreciated. Thanks 3skinny (talk) 20:10, 7 July 2009 (UTC) — 3skinny (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Note: copied from article's talk page.
  • Keep It's a list of what this notable person is known for. It should be possible to find sources for the items that don't have them right now. ReverendWayne (talk) 01:07, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Changing my !vote to Merge per GVOLTT. I didn't catch that the material had been in the infobox. Making it a section would be appropriate. ReverendWayne (talk) 03:34, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Merge into Billy Mays' article. It shouldn't be in his infobox (didn't even know that the products were listed there to begin with), but rather its own section, and having an article on a pitchman without describing at least some of the products he pitched would feel a bit empty. --GVOLTT \My contribs 01:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Merge with Billy Mays The infobox may have been too long, but there is no reason the article itself can't have the section. Eauhomme (talk) 05:34, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Merger is fine and makes perfect sense. The list is obviously significant within the context of Mays himself. Nosleep 13:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was merge to School_District_38_Richmond. Spartaz 08:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Dixon Elementary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Currently in the process of redirecting/merging these non-notable school articles. This article is likely controversial, it was kept during an afd in 2006 but the grounds for keeping it failed to cite useful policy matter, and ignored the fact that this article is unsourced and fails WP:GNG and WP:N. Recently a decision related to school articles determined that most Secondary schools are notable and that only a select few pre-secondary schools are notable. Marcusmax(speak) 14:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge as above. There's no attempt to justify notability. Blue Square Thing (talk) 21:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Flowerparty 00:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. There is no reliable sourcing that discusses greek life in UCF so this clearly doesntr meet the GNG Spartaz 08:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Greek Life at the University of Central Florida (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable organization within a university with no significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. Indiscriminate list of fraternities and sororities. Madcoverboy (talk) 13:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was redirect to First Rudd Ministry (or whatever the current federal ministry is at the time), as per this AfD and linked discussion. Canley (talk) 23:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Current Australian Commonwealth ministry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Per discussion at Talk:First Rudd Ministry#Cabinet of Australia, First Rudd Ministry, Current Australian Commonwealth ministry, duplication is occurring at Cabinet of Australia, First Rudd Ministry, and Current Australian Commonwealth ministry. Timeshift (talk) 13:44, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Deville (Talk) 01:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Eamon Kavanagh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

No indication that this person meets either WP:N or WP:ATHLETE. It was proposed for deletion in 2007, but the prod was removed on the basis of a BBC article about someone of the same name playing in the semi-professional league in Northern Ireland. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 13:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Flowerparty 00:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Tuan Gemuk Athletic FC (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Fixing incomplete nom by User:Frankie goh with the reason given "Article would have failed the notability criteria, as it is not a professional team nor one playing at the highest non-pro level.Frankie goh (talk) 12:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)". No opinion from me. CastAStone/ 13:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Without prejudice against recreation if something happens to make this incedent retrospectively encyclopedia-worthy. Flowerparty 00:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Compass Airlines Flight 2040 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable, fails WP:AIRCRASH and not WP:NEWS. ApprenticeFan 00:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

General Criteria - It involves unusual circumstances (Cabin crew started fire deliberately) The aviation professionals are dismissed or severely reprimanded for their related actions. (The aviation professional was dismissed for his actions)
Air Carrier Criteria - It is an accident which involves a scheduled or charter air carrier. (Compass Air is a scheduled or charter air carrier) It is the result of military or terrorist action, including hijacking, against a civilian target. This could be seen as a being on a par with terrorist activities. It is the first, deadliest, or most significant accident for a particular airline or aircraft. Mjroots (talk) 19:48, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Flowerparty 00:25, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Ear Works (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable software product, pretty much just an advertisement, no reputable sources for any of the content, apparently written entirely by the publisher of the software akaDruid (talk) 10:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Flowerparty 00:32, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

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I searched for reliable sources for this evolutionary theory and came up blank. It seems to have some fans in the intelligent design movement, but it's not a notable scientific theory. Fences&Windows 15:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Delete per WP:FRINGE. No independent reliable sources. -RunningOnBrains 06:41, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Most of the arguments for keeping appear to rely on assumptions, novel interpretations or WP:IAR. While there is nothing inherently wrong with such arguments (IAR is policy, after all), it is difficult to afford them as much weight as arguments more solidly grounded in the fact that it lacks multiple sources that are reliable and independent. There are a few arguments for merging but they are not amply persuasive at this point. If someone can identify an appropriate target and obtain consensus at the talk page of said target that a merge there is appropriate I am okay with restoring for that purpose (and I am willing to provisionally restore for the sake of such a discussion if it takes place). Shereth 14:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

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Article about a student group. As attractive as it may look, the topic is non-notable. All sources are from the university website or YouTube. TM 15:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure you're not mistaking 'External links' for 'References'? The majority of the references come from secondary sources -- primary sources have been inserted only where no secondary source exists. (Also, I'm not sure if comparison is an argument in-and-of itself, but Knowledge pages exist for many other Yale a cappella groups, which makes me think this one should be acceptable as well.) Rofreg 17:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Article has now been edited such that 5 of the 8 references are external, and from credible sources such as a regional television station and the United States embassy in Ukraine. Equartey (talk) 17:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
That is very deceiving. Where is the "significant coverage"? The only source that is reliable and secondary is the news channel. Otherwise, everything is published by a school newspaper (either Yale or Choate) or not significant, like the mention on the US embassy website podcast.--TM 20:39, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Also, just because Other stuff exists does not make this notable.--TM 20:41, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Aha, I'm sorry -- I suspected there might be a guideline like Other stuff exists, but I couldn't find it. Thanks for pointing me there. Still, I think this group should qualify as notable, as it's performed on national television and toured internationally, but I understand that as it stands the article is somewhat lacking. I'll attempt to assemble some more notable sources over the next few days. Rofreg (talk) 01:36, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 12:45, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment: Althought it seems like this group has been covered by several national and regional television programs it is hard to find sources not hosted by Yale Rcurtis5 (talk) 16:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep due to documented media coverage. Assuming the third-party multimedia references are significant, where they are hosted should not be a disqualifying point. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 16:42, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • An outcome consistent with Wikipedian policies and guidelines would be "Merge to Yale University". Reasoning: Because this is verifiable from reliable sources, WP:PRESERVE tells us we should retain it. But because it lacks coverage from reliable sources independent of the subject, WP:N tells us it should not have its own article. Therefore it should be merged, QED.

    However, strong though that line of reasoning is in terms of policies and guidelines, I feel it should be ignored in this case, it being to the benefit of the encyclopaedia to do so.

    Before I begin this next line of argument, I want to mention that it is in flagrant disregard of various arguments to avoid, and my reply is that I'm disregarding the said essay with all due forethought.

    I feel we should keep this article because (1) Yale University is already more than long enough, (2) this article is well-written from a neutral point of view and I find it encyclopaedic, and (3) a cost/benefit analysis tells me this article is doing no harm and some good, attracting as it does visitors from a scholarly establishment, so I think it beneficial to retain it.

    So overall, keep.—S Marshall /Cont 17:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

    • I agree that this content is verifiable, that the subject fails WP:NOTE, and that it doesn't make much sense to merge this to Yale University for the reasons you've given. But rather than invoking WP:IAR, I think a better course of action would be to create A cappella singing at Yale or something like that, and merge this info there. I haven't looked for sources yet, but I find it hard to imagine that there are not plenty of them available covering the Yale singing group scene, so I strongly suspect that topic is notable. OOTB and the myriad other non-notable groups (both current and defunct) could be mentioned along with the Whiffs and other notable ones, and a discussion of the phenomenon in general could be included. That seems like the best way to handle this content. Yilloslime C 21:51, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Connecticut-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 23:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 23:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep. A while back, I reviewed an article on another (other articles do, of course, exist) college singing group: this one. Unlike this one, that wasn't an a capella group, but there're similarities. I'm sure that one can be further improved, but was sufficient for me to pass it as a GA, and a passing 'crat I checked with concurred. A quick scan of this article shows much the same factors apply:
  1. The group will have independent sources at inter-state or international level covering their appearances, that're sometimes at functions with various dignitaries; naturally there's only so much a source can say in its coverage.
  2. Sometimes a neutral tone can be hard to reach because, inevitably, these groups act as a public relations showpiece for a school. However, it is possible.
  3. Typically, these established groups will have released multiple albums. They may have competed at international level.
  4. The groups may form an integral part of the university's history, or be tied up with its sporting background.
For this reason, they should be covered. Where covering them in sufficient detail would overburden the parent (institution) article, a sub-article is appropriate. For younger groups, or those having done less of note (at least as far as sources report), a brief description in the parent article can suffice. From my scan of the article, in this case that doesn't apply and the article should be kept and improved. –Whitehorse1 14:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Change from "Keep" to "Weak Keep" for now. The existing sources are mainly news media, though identifying what the journalists actually said about the group, or perhaps something like including a small quote from the transcript of news audio segment refs would help. –Whitehorse1 15:23, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Changing to Weak Delete. I've wavered here. There are fifteen official Yale a cappella groups, aaand it seems each and every one has an article (inc. the youngest, Shades). Regarding this one, there is coverage. What matters is whether it's substantial (or at least many instances of it), to establish whether the article is sufficiently notable for a standalone article. While sources exist, they must be more than mere mentions. Having searched on Lexis-Nexis as well as Google News I haven't found much: Providence Journal-Bulletin (Rhode Island) March 4, 1998 Foodwise: Watch chef make Atomic Grill's Key Lime pie. Byline: Donna Lee mentions they're performing at "the River Room singing classics of Gershwin, Cole Porter, and Duke Ellington...". From that we can say...Past performances saw a repertoire of classics such as xyz.." That is a mere mention. There's Rita Braver of CBS News, speaking in 2004 (CBS News Transcripts, "Cue the chorus; a cappella groups are enjoying a new popularity on college campuses"), which states collegiate a cappella has enjoyed a surge in popularity in the last decade, and how this can lead to groups vying for audiences. There are 2 or so news items like that, which generally cover the Rush period where students find out if they'll make it into a group. The presenters might speak to them briefly, asking what group they're from, or naming a few people and reporting what group they joined. There are multiple sources, like those, that certainly go further than mentioning Out of the Blue among a list of groups, or note that they're playing somewhere. But I was unable to find real significant coverage on closer inspection of the sources I could find. –Whitehorse1 17:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete Clearly fails every criteria in WP:MUSIC. If sources can be dug up showing that they meet one the criteria, I'll reconsider. Yilloslime C 20:40, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Interesting. I'd mainly looked at this in terms of WP:ORG, looking at it from the point of view of a 'student org', rather than a 'band'. I'm not saying one approach is more suited than the other. It's just interesting to read how different editors address things! –Whitehorse1 15:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete There aren't really any independent sources to verify information in this article and it is not particularly notable. The article seems mostly self promotional in nature. Rcurtis5 (talk) 22:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

DeleteorMerge I agree that the article is clearly self-promotional. The acap singing culture at Yale College is certainly notable enough to justify an article, but most of the individual groups are not. If this content is to live anywhere on Knowledge, I would think it should live on a page with all of the groups at Yale like it. Unfortunately for this group, this article does not cite and significant sources except the one mentioned and does demonstrate being notable outside of the greater Yale acap culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.120.138 (talk) 18:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

— 130.132.120.138 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Yilloslime C 15:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

  • MergeorKeep There are definitely many verifiable sources cited in the article, and a number of the sources seem more than trivial to me. I agree that they have trouble demonstrating significant notability beyond an an cappella sub-culture and their ties to Yale University, but I do not think deletion would be a suitable solution. Many articles related to collegiate a cappella seem to be in similar states of semi-notability (particularly in the case of other Yale a cappella groups, with the major exception being the Whiffenpoofs). To me, the question seems to be whether this group merits their own page, or if they would be more suited for an "a cappella" sub-article of Yale University, along with the other Yale a cappella singing groups. SmudgeTheFirst (talk) 05:55, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Having quickly perused other Yale a cappella groups, I find this to be one of the more encyclopedic, though some of it does come across as self-promotional. I would lean towards Keep if the article could be rewritten and cut down, but again, after perusing the other Yale a cappella articles, I feel there is a bigger concern to be addressed here, as many of the others have been active as articles for far longer than this one, some with much less verifiable/non-trivial content. SmudgeTheFirst (talk) 06:01, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

— SmudgeTheFirst (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Yilloslime C 15:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Merge or Keep: The set of WP:MUSIC criteria by which the group should be judged should be “Others”, since it qualifies under the requirement “For composers and performers outside mass media traditions”. When measuring the group against the five criteria listed under “Other”, however, the unique circumstances of collegiate a cappella must be considered.

Collegiate a cappella often samples music in the ‘mass media tradition’, and so most groups would be hard pressed to fulfill the following:

  • (2) Has been a significant musical influence on a musician or composer that qualifies for the above list.
  • (3) Has established a tradition or school in a particular genre.
  • (4) Has composed a number of melodies, tunes or standards used in a notable genre, or tradition or school within a notable genre.

When discussing ‘notability’, it is helpful to take into consideration how the idea applies in the community under discussion. The largest competition in collegiate a cappella is the ICCA (International Championship of Collegiate A Cappella), and although there are hundreds of a cappella groups, it is groups which appear most often on the ICCA stage that are most recognized. One of the article references is the 2006 Results page of the ICCA website, where the group is listed as placing first in the Northeast Region 2006 ICCA Championship (the group was also awarded for best choreography).

Another measure of notability is the degree to which groups perform with more established artists. Here as well, the group exhibits notability, as evidenced by a reference to opening for the musician Ben Folds earlier this year.

A final measure of notability is the degree to which a group is referred to and consulted as an adequate source of information by reputable third parties. The group under discussion has been interviewed by or performed for WTNH Channel 8, WERS in Boston, CBS News Sunday Morning, and the Jane Pauley Show on NBC. This fact is as reasonably close as a collegiate a cappella group can get to satisfying requirements (1) Is cited in reliable sources as being influential in style, technique… and (5) Is frequently covered in publications devoted to a notable sub-culture.

All the links mentioned appear as documented references in the article. Arguing for deletion on the basis that the group fails to meet the requirements under WP:MUSIC is unreasonable, because the unique circumstances of collegiate a cappella makes it all but impossible for any group (save The Whiffenpoofs, perhaps) to make the cut. When notability is considered in the context of the collegiate a cappella sub-genre, however, the group under discussion performs adequately. Equartey (talk) 23:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC) — Equartey (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Yilloslime C 15:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Yilloslime: Equartey, is the creator of the article, notified on their talkpage of this discussion, by the nominator.Whitehorse1 15:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Whitehorse, s/he's still an spa, and the participants in this discussion and the closing admin may wish to take this fact into account. Yilloslime C 15:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Yilloslime, I'm not disagreeing with the technical accuracy of your point, or suggesting the notice wasn't applicable. I'm not suggesting they haven't made few or no other edits outside this topic; although, they are new. We all know what that tag under a post "suggests" about the account. I only wanted to add a clarifying note for anybody who may be reading the discussion, including any closing admin, to make clear that as the article's creator they had, presumably come here in response to their talkpage notice. –Whitehorse1 16:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Agree with S Marshall about the article lacking significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject, however I consider that to be a reason to delete. PhilKnight (talk) 09:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Flowerparty 00:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

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Non-notable actor, fails WP:ENTERTAINER. No sources found for this article and even seen in a minor TV roles. ApprenticeFan 12:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was speedy delete as obvious advertising and a possible copyvio of http://www.quicklockforum.org/pdf/QN.pdf Thryduulf (talk) 22:34, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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No indication of how this product is notable. Reads like an advertisement. Provided references are either primary (to the developers company) or places you can buy the product. RadioFan (talk) 12:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Deville (Talk) 00:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

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Disputed Prod. Non-notable amateur player who has yet to play professionally so fails to meet WP:ATHLETE or WP:N. Also fails WP:HOCKEY's guidelines for player notablity WP:HOCKEY/PPF#NOTE. Can be recreated when/if he plays professionally or otherwise achieves notability. Djsasso (talk) 11:48, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Non-admin closure. Until It Sleeps 14:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Disputed Prod. Non-notable amateur player who has yet to play professionally so fails to meet WP:ATHLETE or WP:N. Also fails WP:HOCKEY's guidelines for player notablity WP:HOCKEY/PPF#NOTE. Can be recreated when/if he plays professionally or otherwise achieves notability. This is just the typical creation of junior players days after they have been drafted which has been shown by consensus time and again to not be enough to satisfy notability. Djsasso (talk) 11:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Flowerparty 00:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

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Disputed Prod. Non-notable amateur player who has yet to play professionally so fails to meet WP:ATHLETE or WP:N. Also fails WP:HOCKEY's guidelines for player notablity WP:HOCKEY/PPF#NOTE. Can be recreated when/if he plays professionally or otherwise achieves notability. This is just the typical creation of junior players days after they have been drafted which has been shown by consensus time and again to not be enough to satisfy notability. Djsasso (talk) 11:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Flowerparty 00:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

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Disputed Prod. Non-notable amateur player who has yet to play professionally so fails to meet WP:ATHLETE or WP:N. Also fails WP:HOCKEY's guidelines for player notablity WP:HOCKEY/PPF#NOTE. Can be recreated when/if he plays professionally or otherwise achieves notability. This is just the typical creation of junior players days after they have been drafted which has been shown by consensus time and again to not be enough to satisfy notability. Djsasso (talk) 11:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Non-admin closure. Until It Sleeps 14:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Disputed Prod. Non-notable amateur player who has yet to play professionally so fails to meet WP:ATHLETE or WP:N. Also fails WP:HOCKEY's guidelines for player notablity WP:HOCKEY/PPF#NOTE. Can be recreated when/if he plays professionally or otherwise achieves notability. This is just the typical creation of junior players days after they have been drafted which has been shown by consensus time and again to not be enough to satisfy notability. Djsasso (talk) 11:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Deville (Talk) 00:44, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Spain national rugby league team (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Not notable, fails WP:ORG and purely no sources in this article. ApprenticeFan 11:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Delete. I came here intending to huff and puff and insist it was an obvious keep, as an international side, but after a lot of Googling for relevant terms (including in Spanish sports papers like Sport.es, and for the French/Spanish alternative names "rugby de liga" and "rugby a 13"), I was surprised to come up with no coverage at all. No evidence that such a team even exists. Gonzonoir (talk) 12:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Comment: the AfD notice hadn't been added to the article page; I've inserted it with this edit. Gonzonoir (talk) 12:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Delete. I've had my eye on this for a while, and for all the time I've spent looking for sources on mainland European rugby league, I've seen nothing at all about a Spanish national side.Rugbyhelp (talk) 12:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Delete There is no evidence whatsoever that such a team exists. No links are given, and I can find nothing online about a Spanish rugby league team. There is a Catalan rugby league team (for which a page already exists), and there is a Spanish rugby union team, but no rugby league team.--Timtranslates (talk) 18:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Keep. I saw this team play twice last year. I'd scan in my ticket but that would probably count as "original research. 174.146.255.7 (talk) 08:42, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

- Are you sure it wasn't a rugby union game? Please note there are two types of rugby: rugby league and union. The fact you had to buy a ticket for the game makes me think it must be union, because if a Spanish league side does exist, it must be in its infancy and would have been played on a local field somewhere without the need to pay to get in. Did they have lineouts (see: http://www.solarnavigator.net/sport/sport_images/Rugby_Union_Lineout_WvF_2004.jpg) when the ball went out of play?

Delete No evidence they exist.
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The result was delete. The nom makes a good case, and the article fails on at least two other speedy grounds (no context, and A7) Orderinchaos 12:17, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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Unsourced article about a non-notable comic book character. No evidence of existence, let alone notability, provided. Mattinbgn\ 10:10, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was speedy delete. Per A7 - no indication for importance or significance. SoWhy 10:59, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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This biography of a musical performer has had two speedy tags removed (by the same SPA) and a prod removed by the article creator. Notability is not asserted and I can find no evidence of it from a web search. Gonzonoir (talk) 09:48, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Speedy Delete, the article creator themselves should not be removing speedy tags anyway. They are also not being helpful, having removed the AfD tag many times now. I will put a new CSD tag on the article and hopefully this will be resolved soon. --Taelus (talk) 10:22, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I was assuming good faith, since the signed-in article creator has not removed speedy tags - that was done by an IP, and though it would be possible to jump to a conclusion about that I was refraining. Gonzonoir (talk) 10:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
The article has been speedy tagged three times now. Both the article creator and the IP removed speedy tags from what I can see in the history. Diffs: ], ], ] --Taelus (talk) 10:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was Delete (Author requested deletion). decltype (talk) 13:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Finest Shield Game of them All (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Contested prod. Prod reason: "This term is not notable and hardly verifiable, as only one source actually uses this name apparently (Matches Of The Century by Don Cameron). Nothing about this on Google News or Google Books. If one single commentator uses a term to describe one game, it is far from sufficient to use that for an article. Something should be commonly known under that description to have such an article." Prod contested because "I don't think it should be deleted just because its name has not been common or used, it is a title that could become popular because of this page." This of course is the opposite of what Wikipeia is for: we report what is already notable, we don't make things notable which were obscure. Apart from the one book given above, the term is not in use at all. Fram (talk) 09:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Delete: I usually add my own rationale but Fram's nailed this one. Gonzonoir (talk) 12:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. All deletes with some commments that didn't not change the consensus Nja 07:54, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Notability has not been asserted within the article. Associated acts are non notable itself. Apart from that, its Unreferenced and Fails WP:ENTERTAINER. Hitro 17:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment If no reason has been given for notability, this should go to speedy deletion. Setwisohi (talk) 18:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Since this article has been hanging around for more than 6 months and been edited by 3 or 4 different editors, I opted for AfD for better conclusion. Hitro 18:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
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Did you check "Ways to spot article potential'" within WP:POTENTIAL. What made you think that this article may have potential? First of all, if you are not sure of notability, then you should not tag an article with rescue tag just in the hope that some editor may find out something notable about the subject. I do not agree with you. This has been misuse of rescue tag. Hitro 09:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Let me ask you this: Have you ever bothered to perfrom a simple Google search on her ?. I did exactly that yesterday. While I was able to find some sources within the first few pages, some of them were scattered and therefore I decided to leave it there and engage the RS.These are some sources I found (though there are more) . You have the liberty on thinking whatever you want on my decision to "rescue" the article. --Roaring Siren (talk) 09:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
--Roaring Siren (talk) 09:35, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I have had searched for the subject all over internet including Google Nepal.The references you are talking about don't make the subject notable. I hope you do not believe that anything that can be searched over Google should have a separate Knowledge article. No matter you have thousands of Google hits, you can not be part of encyclopedia as an actor or media personality unless you satisfy WP:ENTERTAINER. I have clearly mentioned in my nomination reason that the subject does not have notable associated act and fails WP:ENTERTAINER. If you go through WP:GOOGLE, it is clearly mentioned there Google (and other search systems) do not aim for a neutral point of view. Knowledge does. So we can not just depend on an Google Hits. Notability is a major criteria. Please read WP:GOOGLE specially "What a search test can do, and what it can't" then justify your act of tagging this article with rescue tag. I still do not believe that you had any proper reason for tagging this article other than testing the tag because you haven't left any comment at edit summary or AfD page until I asked you to do so. I do find one more article, i.e. Asrar Ahmad Adraak‎, you have tagged with rescue tag without any reason. I respect your effort and view but I clearly do not agree with it as of now. Hitro 16:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree with you. Hitro 17:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. toyed with no consensus but the argument that the articled meets MUSIC#6 hasn't really been refuted and deletion arguments are based more on GNG then MUSIC Spartaz 09:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Baxter (punk band) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
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The band has only released one full-length album, is signed to non-notable independent record labels, and has not had any of its songs chart on a major music chart. In addition, the band is not covered significantly in reliable sources. It fails WP:Notability (music) Timmeh 03:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete including the three albums which I added. No notability per WP:MUSIC besides an otherwise notable member. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 03:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep – Meets WP:BAND criterion #6, with two notable members. The Chicago Tribune mentions their connection to Rise Against; I added that source just now. Paul Erik 04:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep, meets WP:MUSIC#C6.  Esradekan Gibb  10:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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  • Comment Those who said keep under criterion #6 of WP:BAND should note that Neil Hennessy may not be notable. I've done a Google News search and found no significant coverage of him. Timmeh 14:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Being a member of multiple notable bands, Neil Hennessy is notable enough for our guidelines. (And that is documented in independent sources.) I know, it's the difficulty with these sorts of music articles when they come to AfD—we're suddenly having to research the potential notability of multiple articles' subjects all at once. Paul Erik 16:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
      • The sources you listed don't do much more than mention Hennessy, with three of four being Punknews.org articles. I think it may be wise to ignore the "two or more ensembles" criterion in this case; even though he is in at least two independently notable bands, it seems that he has not received significant coverage in reliable sources. An article on Hennessy likely wouldn't make it past stub class. Timmeh 17:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
        • I think he's sufficiently notable, as there are multiple brief but non-trivial mentions. There is also coverage of him in the Daily Herald (May 30, 2008. p. 5 and Jun 6, 2008. p. 5 – both articles talk about him being a member of The Lawrence Arms and of Smoking Popes). Paul Erik 04:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
          • I suggest you take a look at the closing rationale for a similar AFD I nominated here. I think King of Hearts makes a very good point in his closing explanation. Just because reliable sources mention someone in terms of their involvement in a notable band does not necessarily mean the member is independently notable. Timmeh 19:45, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
            • Yes, I did see that, and it is a reasonable position to take (as is your position), although I'm not sure why that one wouldn't have been closed as a "redirect". One difference, though, is that multiple third-party sources have made mention of the connections with these artists, which I believe was not the case with the related articles in that other AfD. Paul Erik 16:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
              • I believe it wasn't closed as "redirect" because the band contained two members with articles. We'd be introducing bias if we redirected to only one or the other. You do have a good point about the sources, which makes me realize my case isn't rock solid. I'm sort of a deletionist, so maybe I'm biased when it comes to this, but I still believe the mentions of Hennessy are not significant enough to pass WP:N. Anyway, although we may differ in opinion on this particular case, you sure do make a good effort to rescue articles, and I applaud your good work. :) Timmeh 23:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
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  • Delete I dont find the notable connection. WP:NOTADVOCATE. The artist referred to dont seem to quite reach up to notable so far. I did find one australian web news article reference. Tim McIlrath -article has lots of references, but mostly about gig dates, and do not really make for documentation on notable events, or musicians. Mindless lists of band members changing or tour and recording dates do not meet criteria for Knowledge:Notability. Promo material belongs on other sites. Casimirpo (talk) 23:19, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Nja 07:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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I have nominated this page for deletion because I believe it was created in error. The creator was referring to Kisdon Force in the same area on the River Swale, and I believe that Kidson Force does not exist. Mick Knapton (talk) 08:27, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

It gets several hits from Google including Yorkshire Walks so appears to be correct rather than Kisdon Force which is further east. Keith D (talk) 13:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
OK Keith, I think it is a typo in that article, as the photo labelled "Kidson Force near Keld" is actually of Kisdon Force (I've been there). Its a similar photo to the top one in the Knowledge article for Kisdon Force taken by me showing the main cascade and the top one in the background. However if you think Kidson Force exists I respect your decision but it is certainly not marked on the large scale Ordnance Survey maps. Mick Knapton (talk) 21:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Comment on the above: ::That co-ordinate for Kidson Force is almost 500 metres South West of the River Swale on the B6270 road near Thorns Farm, how can it be a waterfall on the River Swale with a co-ordinate of almost 500 metres away from that River. Try looking on Ordnances Survery Get a Map. Mick Knapton (talk) 09:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Reply: Using the coord link on the page, then following the Geograph link, it brings us here], just to the west of a small stream where I'd suggest that the waterfall is. Mjroots (talk) 09:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Quite an interesting link that, it shows six photographs of Kisdon Force and one of "Kidston Force" which is obviously a picture of Kisdon Force. Why does the article say a "Small waterfall on the River Swale" if its on a small side stream. The photograph in the article does not look like a small side stream. Why not just admit it that its a spelling mistake. Ever been to Swaledale, I go there regularly. Mick Knapton (talk) 10:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I may have driven through Swaledale at some point. I was going by the coords given in the separate articles. I accept that I may be wrong here, needs a local expert. I'll ask at WP Yorkshire. Mjroots (talk) 10:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the interesting discussion Mjroots. My final point at this time, is that if it does exist and is not shown on the large scale Ordnance Survey map it could be deemed as not notable and could be deleted on Notability. All the other waterfalls on the Swale around Keld are marked, even the small East Gill Force is marked as a "Falls". Regards Mick Knapton (talk) 10:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
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Those entries are based on our List of waterfalls of the United Kingdom (which includes both names because of the existence of the article we're discussing here). All that the EyePlorer page suggests is confusion on Knowledge. Deor (talk) 16:22, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
My Bad !!!! :( Hitro 16:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Deville (Talk) 02:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Article about a musician that doesn't assert or provide evidence of notability; I've been able to find none via Google Search. A PROD tag was removed by the article's creator, whose username suggests he has a conflict of interest. Gonzonoir (talk) 08:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Nja 07:51, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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WP:NOTE. Article covers one petrol station, not notable for inclusion in Knowledge. Sk8er5000 (talk) 07:21, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was Delete. Pastor Theo (talk) 00:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Prod contested by IP (only edit) without improvements or edit summary. Prod reason: "Neologism that hasn't received any significant attention in reliable independent sources yet. The two external links at the bottom are completely unrelated (and not reliable anyway), leaving us with a video of someone who coined the word. This is insufficient to be included in Knowledge". Brownge has not received attention in reliable independent sources, with no Google News hits or Google Books results. Fram (talk) 07:17, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was keep. Nja 07:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Non-notable, fails WP:AIRCRASH and not WP:NOTNEWS. Only a minor airliner accident appeared in local news. ApprenticeFan 07:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


  • Keep a MINOR accident? This is hardly four or five wiped out in a car crash. Twenty-four people, though I like many others hate the idea of using a body count, makes pretty much any accident notable. WP:AIRCRASH states "Loss of life is not necessarily a valid criterion" and the key word is 'necessarily'. Twenty-four is easily enough. To use a touch of WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS, which I know isn't really valid, 2009 Pakistan Army Mil Mi-17 crash was on WP:ITN when the death toll was being reported at twenty-six; no-one questioned notability that I can see. Blood Red Sandman 13:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - All the information is this stub article should be moved to the list of incidents related to this particular model of airplane (Fokker_27#Notable_accidents). Enough content and sources on this incident do not exist to enable the creation of a separate article and everything is this article can easily be expressed in a bullet on the incidents list. In addition the inclusion of the phrase "airliner crash" is misleading as it suggests this was a commercial flight when in actuality it was a military transport. Rcurtis5 (talk) 16:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Thats fine and such but this is common practice when a major incident involving loss of life happen tipically there is a separate article and then a smaller version of the article is listed at the aircraft or airline page. In this case the article needs an expansion, infobox and better sourcing all of which the WP:AVIATION will likely be able to do. If references are needed then use these , , , , , , . Issues remain, first off this should be renamed as this was not an airliner as the article suggests. -Marcusmax(speak) 19:03, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • After reading the essay on notability in WP:AIRCRASH focusing on the section on military aircraft this article is not notable. Every reference included here contains very little information because there was nothing unusual about this accident to make it notable in the media. It is important to remember that a loss of life aboard a military training flight is not particularly unusual especially as one of the articles you mentioned discusses Indonesias relatively poor safety record. In addition all of the references provided will not provide enough information for this article to grow beyond a stub. I agree this incident should be included on the plane model's incidents section (Fokker_27#Notable_accidents) but it is simply not notable and out of the ordinary to have its own article. Rcurtis5 (talk) 19:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Nja 07:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Violation of Knowledge is not a crystal ball. The article itself doesn't seem quite sure that the album will be released in the fall of 2009. No source is given that mentions the exact date. And almost all of the sources are blogs and Twitter. Knowing how these things goes, it could be literally a year before anything is released. Just way way too vague and early for this User:Woohookitty 06:59, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Nja 07:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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fails WP:BIO and WP:ENT. most of the coverage relates to passing mentions for appearing in 1 movie . LibStar (talk) 06:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Nja 07:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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fails WP:ENT and WP:BIO. nothing on google news and google search is mainly mirror and directory listings for appearing in Junior Eurovision. so WP:ONEVENT also applies here. LibStar (talk) 06:42, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep She has done more than one event. There is information available if you search in Russian. She's been recognized by newspapers (as quoted in the sources), and appeareed on TV numerous times. She has done music commercially, as she has relesed at least one music video (as shown by simple Youtube searches). Placed high in competitions. Clearly notable according to WP:MUSIC! Moorvis (talk) 08:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Weak delete: Moorvis claims there is notability and I'll AGF, but I don't see it. Yes, I know that non-English sources are valid, but the whole "search in Finnish/Russian/Czech/whatever" idea always annoys me. This is the English WP, not the Russian one. I can't WP:V a source that I can't read. So while notability may be there, if it the notable coverage is in a language I can't read, I can't verify it, so it fails WP:V for me. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
    • I understand your point. But the correct solution would be to add the citations, not deleting. By deleting all the current work gets lost and that if something would discourage editors to improve articles. I don't just have time to do it properly at the moment (I don't know russian either), but it seems clear to me that she is nationally notable. Being English Knowledge means that the articles are in English, not that the persons have to be notable in the English-speaking world. Moorvis (talk) 06:34, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
    • The point of verifiability isn't that every reader should be able to understand every source used. I probably wouldn't understand the sources used in "polymerase chain reaction" or "exogenous growth model" but that doesn't mean that the sources are not verifiable, just that it needs some expertise in the field to verify them. I happen to have a reasonable understanding of Russian, so, for me, Russian sources about a non-technical subject are more verifiable than English sources about technical subjects in areas where I have no expertise. The whole point of an encyclopedia is that it presents things in a manner, whether a language or a register, that is more understandable to the readers than its sources. If we were to limit ourselves to sources that everyone can understand then this would be a very dumbed-down encyclopedia. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:52, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
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  • Delete. I've added a reference to a source that confirms the main claim to fame, but I don't see that that's enough for notability, and looking through the sources found by a search in the cyrillic alphabet I can't see anything beyond passing mentions. I can't claim to have a great knowledge of Belarusian language (despite having spent a month on a language course in Minsk in 1978), but from my knowledge of related languages I can make enough sense of those sources to see that they don't provide substantial coverage of the subject. I would encourage Moorvis to identify any print sources that contradict this argument. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:41, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Nja 07:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Fails to show notability (WP:NOTFILM) and I'm unable to locate any RS. APK coffee talk 06:41, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep I am sorry to say but if you want, you can delete this. As this movie is in regional language and that also in 1988. So I can't give any online proof to show you that how much importance of this movie in Rajasthan. In my town (population is more than 15000), but you will find internet only in one or two places. That will also opened sometimes to see the exam results or any other purpose. Then how can all information can be availble online. Some can see wikipedia, but here also if like this will happen then what will be the source for the information. I am not doing mis-use of wikipedia.

    If you want to see the importance then you can come to Rajasthan villages and can ask them if they know about this movie. Still you can see the popularity of songs of this movie. Thanks for your support.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lalit82in (talk • contribs) 10:48, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • One indication of its encyclopaedicity is the fact that it already has an article in another encyclopaedia. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 13:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Comment - IMHO, it still doesn't meet the notability guideline. The source you've added is helpful, but "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." (emphasis mine) I still can't find a newspaper article discussing the movie, but maybe someone else will have better luck. APK coffee talk 14:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Really? So since Wookiepedia and Conservapedia are "encyclopedias" in the same vein as this one, everything in them is automatically notable? Niteshift36 (talk) 14:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
      • Yes, in this case, really. Please place your comments in chronological order and please refrain from constructing plainly silly straw men based upon clearly false premises. The encyclopaedia referenced is neither Wookipedia nor Conservapedia, nor is it authored in the same manner. And it is one indication of encyclopaedicity, as I wrote. Uncle G (talk) 19:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Despite the fact that you've decided to throw WP:CIVIL out the window ("silly straw men", "clearly false"), I'll do my best to not to respond to you in the same ignorant manner you used. I will continue to place my responses near the edit I am commenting on. It is logical to do so. As for the avoidance dance that you did while trying to misrepresent what I actually said...you said inclusion in "another encyclopaedia" indicates its encyclopaedicity. I pointed out two examples of encyclopedias that disprove that statement. I'm sorry that you missed the point or that your feelings got hurt when your fallicy was exposed (take your pick as to which one it was). If you have any other gripes or complains about where I place my responses or feel the need to make anymore personal attacks, please move to my talk page and stop littering this dicussion with your grafitti about your opinions about my choice of locations to respond. Niteshift36 (talk) 08:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete. A single mention is a book, "encyclopedia" or not, doesn't sound like "multiple independent sources" to me. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
    • An article is not a "mention". You clearly haven't looked to see what is in the encyclopaedia. (Ironically, the film is mentioned, in other articles in the same encyclopaedia.) Nor do you give any indication of other instances of looking, including looking for sources yourself, as would be reqiured to underpin an argument that the encyclopaedia article cited was the only source in existence. Did you make any such effort? What effort did you make? What did you look for and what did you find? Uncle G (talk) 19:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • The reference itself states that the article on this film is contained on a single page, so I called it a mention. I really don't care if you like my choice of wording or not. Further, other "mentions" (your choice of words, not mine) are irrelevent to me. Niteshift36 (talk) 08:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I just want to say that to keep an article in encyclopaedia, do we need a single person's choice or if it follows the required citation, then there is no question for notability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lalit82in (talk • contribs) 09:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep as article has enough sourcing to show it as the most successful Rajasthan film in the period from 1990 through 2005. Considering the area is not known for their film industry, I am encouraged to remember WP:CSB and that it does not matter to wikipedia that it might not made splash headlines in the New York Times. Anybody have a copy of the 1988 Rajasthani Gazette, or whatever non-English sources covered their most successful film in 15 years? And has anyone checked the various spelling permutations that occur with translation to English? The article may never be more than a stub, but it's an acceptable and encyclopedic stub. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 03:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep The movie is one of most successful and popular Rajasthani language films. I have grown up in Rajasthan and can vouch for its popularity and notability. There may not be hundreds of thousands of internet citations because the internet was not in much use then in 1989 and even now in that region. Please read 438 and 446 of Encyclopaedia of Indian cinema By Ashish Rajadhyaksha, Paul Willemen, National Film Archive of India to know more about the film.Shyamsunder (talk) 11:53, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep per all above plus the fact that the movie created a history in Rajasthan cinema as it ran for 100 days. Salih (talk) 13:04, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Nja 07:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Marco Pelosi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Footballer who apparently fails WP:ATHLETE. Although he started his career at Hearts, he never played in a competitive match per Soccerbase or London Hearts. He played in pre-season friendlies and was only an unused substitute in a few SPL matches. Subsequent to that he played on loan at East Fife and then Raith Rovers, who were playing in either of the two lower semi-professional divisions of the Scottish Football League. Not otherwise notable. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 06:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Nja 07:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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fails WP:BIO and WP:ENT. only 1 gnews hit for appearance on Coronation St (his supposed claim to fame) . LibStar (talk) 06:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Flowerparty 01:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

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Article has no independent sources, and was so-tagged since Dec 2008. So, it fails WP:CORP. Article is mainly promotional. They've worked with famous groups/people, but so have lots of other non-notable organizations. Rob (talk) 05:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

That the wording reads like an advertisement is something that can and will be changed, but I do not believe that this justifies the deletion of this article. First and foremost, Frontside Promotions Group IS the largest independent promotions company in Canada. This statement is based on the fact that the promotion for most major U.S. artists is either handled in-house by an artist's record label or through a U.S.-based promotion company. It is also based on Frontside Promotion Group's client list, which includes Motley Crue (publicity, radio promotion, and Crue Fest promotion), Barenaked Ladies (publicity and radio promotion), Sum 41 (radio promotion), and Hinder (radio promotion). Frontside is also hired by the Canadian government to promote Canadian Blast (, ), a government-led initiative that highlights Canadian music internationally through media and live performances.

Aside from a list of clients (that can be found in this article), the most relevant evidence for the notability of Frontside Promotions Group would be their radio chart numbers (Billboard, Nielsen BDS, & Mediabase certified), and I will post those numbers once I have received them. As of now, I only know that Frontside has brought Sum 41, State of Shock, Drowning Pool, The Airborne Toxic Event, Metric, The Midway State, and Hinder to Top 20, Top 10, and #1 spots. Exact years and highest rank on radio charts per track will be posted when they are made available to me. Evidence of affiliation can also be found for the following artists: The Proclaimers (prominently featured at the bottom), State of Shock (within the biography), and House of Doc.

External organizations that have recognized Frontside's work include:
- SOCAN (Canada's Performing Rights Organization), for whom managing partner Gary McDonald has given lectures on marketing as well as presented for their "Dinner Music" web-series.
- The Music BC Industry Association's Board of Directors, to which managing partner Geoff Goddard has been accepted.
- The PEAK Performance Project, for which Frontside's product manager Erin Kinghorn is a member of the faculty.
- The Western Canadian Music Awards, which nominated Frontside Promotions Group for "Independent Publicist/Radio Promoter" of the year in 2004, less than 1 year after Frontside was founded.
- The Transmission Music Conference, which selected a Frontside managing partner as 1 of only 29 delegates from prominent Canadian music companies to attend the conference in China.
- Canada's International Music Convention "Canadian Music Week," which identified artist manager Vince Ditrich in their list of "Movers and Shakers."
- The New Music West - Music Industry Conference, at which multiple members of the Frontside team have presented to other music industry professionals.
- Freedom To Groove, which awarded Frontside a PromoFACT award in April 2004, and for whom managing partner Geoff Goddard served on a panel in November 2004.


I hope that you have found my response helpful and will reconsider the deletion of this article. Thank you.

User:Red Vinyl 8:46, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

  • None of the links involves substantial coverage by an independent source, which our notability guideline requires. One shows Frontside *didn't* win an award. Most show people who work at FrontSide have worked at other companies. One seems to shows a "PromFACT award" by a fellow non-notable marketing company, who shares a senior employee, which makes the source non-independent. Please DO NOT post anymore unsourced information about Frontside. Please only add material that's sourced to independent third-party reliable sources. If you personally work for Frontside, it is recommended that you mention that, and you not write about something you have a conflict of interest in. --Rob (talk) 09:52, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I am not employed by Frontside. I am currently working in performing rights and have worked for management companies in the past. At each location, there have been multiple artists whose Canadian promotion, radio promotion, and publicity have been handled by Frontside, and it was through these connections that I came to see Frontside as a major player in the music industry, especially when Canada is involved. The purpose of mentioning the nomination - while it is true that they did not win that award - was to show that they were considered noteworthy despite having only recently formed less than 1 year before. The other links do not involve past employment, but instead requests by those companies for outside industry professionals (ie, the Frontside staffers) to share their knowledge and outlook on the music industry with other professionals in music. --User:Red Vinyl 15:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Bad faith nom. Nom apparently made in good faith, but with bad timing. Smashville 14:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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This is a disambiguation for a cemetery in which only one blue-linked article exists along with a red-link. Even if both were blue, it should be handled with headnotes. See WP:DISAMBIG. This should be a routine housekeeping matter. However, it was created by a serial creator of inappropriate disambiguation pages and it is going to take weeks to go through them all. Delete Drawn Some (talk) 05:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like you are doing more wikistalking. Cheers. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Recommend a new AfD to garner more consensus if concerned. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 08:59, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

ID Flow (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
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Three software products from the same company. Little evidence of notability for any of them. Sgroupace (talk) 02:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus. Two deletes (including nom) and three keeps, hardly consensus Nja 07:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Delete, non notable zero hits There is a Road, No Simple Highway (talk) 21:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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The result was keep. F&W's recent improvements to the article are enough to warrent the keeping of this article. (X! · talk)  · @033  ·  23:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Questionable notability/encyclopedic relevance, entire article is pretty much unsalvageable biased/vanity material. Delete, but if you must keep, stub--Tznkai (talk) 04:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Comment: I've tried to strip out some of (what I think are) the more egregious breaches of WP:NPOV with a view to salvaging this marginal article. I've noted as such on the article talkpage. I'm not yet persuaded that it deserves to survive this AfD, so I'll hold off with a !vote for now. Crafty (talk) 10:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete: does not appear to meet WP:ORG, does not even appear to avoid WP:V's "If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Knowledge should not have an article on it." HrafnStalk 12:20, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete: For the reasons stated above and especially egregiously bad sourcing. If crafty or someone else can find some third party sourcing for this group, I might change my mind, but i really have my doubts that this group ever amounted to much. Bonewah (talk) 12:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Comment The sourcing of this article has substantially improved since nomination, im still not convinced the group amounts to much, but at least we know they actually amounted to something. Bonewah (talk) 19:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete No third party sources, my 3 minute google search turned up few links that aren't primary. Good chunks of the article seem to be cut-and-pasted from HOPI's official website, though there is significant other material so G12 doesn't apply. - 2 ... says you, says me 13:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete Agreed that this is cut and pasted article. I can't find anything that doesn't come from the org itself or is a simple rewrite of what they have on their pages.Fuzbaby (talk) 15:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete for WP:ORG - no evidence of "significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources" --Saalstin (talk) 15:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment: much of these new additions appear unsourced. The only material that demonstrates potential for "significant coverage" in third party sources, the Dublin protest and the expulsion, get only minimal coverage in the article (making their true impact uncertain). I see nothing as yet to make me change my above opinion. HrafnStalk 03:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I hadn't noticed that the unsourced material was pre-existing. However, it does constitute the bulk of the article, with your new sources only verifying a very narrow slice of it. HrafnStalk 15:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Doesn't the HOPI website verify affiliations and supporters? Fences&Windows 01:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
It does, but it is not third-party, so confers no notability. And that still leaves large swathes unreferenced. HrafnStalk 03:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep - The article can be whittled down, but I believe this meets notability requirements, and is a reasonably large movement with clear potentiality for encyclopedic documentation. -- QUANTUM ZENO 21:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • keep - Hopi has received plenty of coverage, not least from people opposed to it. This needs to be more laboriously sourced, perhaps, but it is certainly a medium-sized fish in the pond of the British anti-war movement. A deletion would be pointless. Commander deathguts (talk) 11:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep. Sources are good enough and this is a notable subject.Biophys (talk) 22:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Weakish Delete I am not entirely certain why english language encyclopedia should contain article on the several hundred people strong movement based in United Kingdom that have managed to organize an demonstration once? Is there some historical effect achieved, I cannot find, and such are not recorded in the article either, so notability is questionable. Casimirpo (talk) 22:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was deleted WP:G10 by User:DGG. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 09:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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Knowledge is not a dictionary and is not for neologisms, especially racially inflammatory ones. Vicenarian 05:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

This can be speedied, I think.--Tznkai (talk) 05:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
There isn't any sourcing here. The ethnic slurs page requires sourcing. I think this is just made up. Vicenarian 05:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Essentially split down the middle and its 2nd nomination. Give it a rest for a while or work on the article to fix issues. Nja 07:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Senior G8 leader (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Unsourced, original research imho. Moreover, the article doesn't make clear what's the relevance of this role. Jaqen (talk) 10:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Arguments against deletion

1) Sources -- Most of the information on this list is based on readily verifiable information. I will add references.

2) Relevance -- What is the relevance of "List of State Leaders by Date"? Of "List of current United States governors by denomination"? List of "Deans of the United States Senate"? All of these have no practical "relevance", so to speak, but merely serve as references for those interested in a particular subject (e.g., journalists, writers, students, commentators). A quick Google search for "Senior G8 leader" should indicate how often that title is cited and used in other articles.

3) No "quick trigger" reflex -- As a matter of policy, we should be careful not to be so hasty as to remove articles such as this one: it's been around for a while (over 2 years), has been edited frequently by a number of commentators, is the only compilation of its kind, and is a topic of international interest. Knowledge policy has been and should be to remove articles only when they are narrowly focused, edited infrequently, and do not have a long history -- in other words, when they are so insignificant and/or personal to the author that they are clearly not of general interest. It is dangerous to be so rash and remove broad-based, community-edited, general interest articles for no real reason.

Memworking (talk) 15:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Memworking

1) I'd be happy of that!
2) 218 results... State leaders do have relevance, G8 leaders obviously too. The problem is that it is totally unclear what's the specific relevance of the senior G8 leader. Should we create also Junior G8 leader?
3) More that 2 years and still the article has no sources and no information about the relevance of the role... Anyway, there's time to discuss. --Jaqen (talk) 16:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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  • Keep, as per above. The Terminator (talk) 18:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is a helpful list.Biophys (talk) 23:07, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Rename. First of all the name is horribly misleading. It implies some sort of additional powers that the person has when all it is is the longest serving leader in the G8. The previous AfD indicated some sources that seemed to show that the length of service was a factor in an "order of precedence" at G8 summits. The best source I can find for this seems to be here , which is confusing because Tony Blair is listed first, not Jacques Chirac (who was the longest serving leader at the time). I presume this is because it was the UKs turn at hosting the summit so they were automatically at the top of the pile as it were. Importantly, I can't see any sources that particularly explain this 'precedence' and there is no evidence that it actually affects anything. Looking through the photographs from G8 summits it doesn't seem to come into it with the order they stand (another point from the previous AfD). The other sources that were quoted in the previous AfD all just note that a particular person has been the longest serving - given the amount of news around G8 summits it's not surprising that this gets mentioned occasionally, but it's not exactly extensive coverage. I can just about see the benefit in the list, as it is easily verifiable information that may be of interest to some. (Incidentally, looking at the traffic for the page it went up about 10 times once it was listed for AfD! - ). I suggest that the article is renamed to List of longest serving G8 leaders. Quantpole (talk) 20:59, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete There do not seem to be significant sources to support this topic. Colonel Warden (talk) 07:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Nja 07:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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This article is unreferenced and a possible hoax. Google returns no references to a James Geiss associated with whaling, except for Knowledge mirrors (). Google Scholar () and Google News also turn up no mentions of this person. I've also been unable to find any references in Factiva to substantiate any of the article contents. His mention in the Whaling article was added by a SPA with no other edits (diff). Suggest deletion as either a hoax or a person who doesn't meet WP's notability guidelines. Muchness (talk) 06:25, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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  • Delete/Transwiki The nominator is correct that google is only able to find reference to this name in wikipedia mirrors, but that in itself isn't evidence of a hoax. Regardless, there are no citations or evidence that the individual existed so it should be either deleted until references can be found, or transwikied to the creators sandbox. -Markeer 12:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete This article has no references at all and apparently no one can verify that James Geiss even existed. I looked up one of the references listed in the Bjorn Sigurdsson article and discuss what I found on that article's talk page. I couldn't find Geiss in the book's index or in the relevant chapter of the book. I doubt he even existed.-Schnurrbart (talk) 03:33, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete Looks like a hoax, and a long-lived one at that. It lasted just over 3 years before it was caught. I think that might qualify it for the list of notable hoaxes - it'd be towards the top. - Bootstoots (talk) 19:37, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Nja 07:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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DELETE due to an extreme lack of notability. I find it rather ridiculous that this WP:BLP article is citing a self-published book and a myspace page for sustenance. JBsupreme (talk) 07:05, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

*Delete Agree with nom. I see no notability Corpx (talk) 05:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC) :This interview with the guy does provide some coverage, so I'm changing my vote to Neutral Corpx (talk) 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Which part of WP:MUSIC grants notability? Corpx (talk) 16:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
    • The artist passes:
      • 2. Has had a charted single or album on any national music chart. (Phatso)
      • 5. Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
      • 6. Is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles, or an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians. (Psychopathic Rydas, Dark Lotus, Twiztid) Juggalobrink (talk) 18:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Juggalobrink, the source you refer to is a myspace website. http://www.myspace.com/twiztid. That, coupled with a self-published book, is simply not permissible under WP:BLP policy. JBsupreme (talk) 17:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
    • I'm actually refering to sources within the Twiztid wiki-page itself, with two interviews with Jamie where he speaks briefly on himself and his early career (sources #9 and #16). But that's just from the article, there are more citations to be found on the web, I was just refering to the article as an example. Juggalobrink (talk) 18:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Has that been confirmed by a reliable secondary source? What chart did the album/single chart on? Corpx (talk) 18:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
  • The positions are confirmed by Allmusic which doesn't require a secondary source, but yes it is also confirmed by Billboard. The album charted on the Billboard 200, Top Heatseekers, Top Independent Albums, and Top Rap Albums. Juggalobrink (talk) 19:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Looks good enough for me. Keep Corpx (talk) 19:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. BJ 03:39, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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No further sign of notability, no sources. ApprenticeFan 13:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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  • Delete. No third-party sources presented, and all I can find on google is several hundred copies of the same press release. (Most hits for Proxio are for a different company.) No notability independent of its parent company Volvo, in whose article it doesn't merit a mention; and even a redirect would be improper, since there's at least two other companies named Proxio that are at least as notable. —Korath (Talk) 14:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete. Notability to come, perhaps. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 13:59, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep or "nomination withdrawn", take your pick. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Rainbow Lounge raid (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable bar, One Event, and Recentism. Article should be deleted as it is one event and recentism. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 04:10, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Strong keep. Sorry, this is huge news coupled with the poor timimg with the 40th Annivesrasy of the Stonewall riots - which were sparked by a ... police raid on a gay bar. An abundance of reliable sources exist and the event has already sparked an investigation and a new group forming - Fairness Fort Worth. There is also the likely lawsuit from the brain damage and two other patrons who had bones broken by the police. This is not going away. I'll work on the article. -- Banjeboi 07:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment - Article is about the event, not the bar... so we should follow whatever the going standard is for articles about events (will defer to more knowledgeable editors there). Recentism by itself is not a reason for deletion (at least according to the essay). By Knowledge standards: the bar is not notable, nor would be the event by itself (if it had stopped there). What would make it notable is the public's reaction to it, which led to the NY Times and LA Times reporting the story. Wikignome0529 (talk) 09:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • 100% Recyclable - I have to agree with Wikignome0529, yet will add that since such a type of persecution/event is still happening 40 years later and the fact that it made headlines because of the 40th anniversary of the Stonewall Riots, the entire contents should be incorporated into the Stonewall Riots article. --CJ Withers (talk) 11:26, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I disagree. The Stonewall riots article should remain focused on the events of 1969 and what were spawned from them. There are two sentences about the Rainbow Lounge raid in the Stonewall riots article now. Including more would be recentism. I do not yet have any opinion on the Rainbow Lounge raid article, as there are many issues still unclear and are not being reported quickly. Merging it into Stonewall riots, an FA, is something I do have an opinion about. It should not be done. --Moni3 (talk) 00:39, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I have read it. Have you read WP:AGF? Being condescending always fails to convince me to change my !vote. Use WP:ONEEVENT if you want. All the coverage all comes back to one event. Without that one event, this would be just another gay bar that nobody outside of the local area heard of. Niteshift36 (talk) 08:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep for the time being, but watch; the news may fizzle out . This event has been fairly well covered in the press since it occurred . I have seen a lot of discussions in blogs and the like . It is certainly not WP:NOTNEWS. -- Scheaffer Sirls user talk —Preceding undated comment added 19:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC).
  • Comments I don't know enough about Knowledge's critera to say for sure if this article meets it's criteria for a separate article. The investigation is continuing and the US Attorney is now investigating, so I would ask that we wait a few weeks and see how that goes before deleting it. Markg65 (talk) 22:45, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment about the 651 (Rainbow Lounge) history I have some comments about the Rainbow Lounge's history that the press hasn't mentioned yet. The Rainbow Lounge might only be a couple of weeks old, but the very small building it's in (1200 square feet?) has quite a local history to LGBT people and Fort Worth police. The address is 651 South Jennings, just south of downtown Fort Worth. It was Fort Worth's first gay bar in the early 80's. Gay bars were still illegal in Fort Worth when it opened. The first bar was a Country Western bar with no visible signs in an abandoned industrial strip. It was called 651, completely dark with just 651 over the door which was the address number. It was raided and harassed by the Fort Worth Police for years. Gay bashing was popular as the police would stand by and laugh as people drove by and yelled and threw things at people going into the bar. There was an incident where two customers were shot and killed walking from the 651. A local judge gave them a light sentence and specifically said it was because they had killed gay men to keep them from spreading aids. The bar has a history of closing and reopening, mostly because harassment of customers. (People just drive to Dallas's gay strip instead). The 651 had been closed for about 2 years and just re-opened as a dance style bar (not Country and Western as it previously had been). Many locals believe the Fort Worth police raided the first week to scare everyone off and get the bar closed again. I really wish the national media would report on this history. Markg65 (talk) 22:45, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep, for now. The bar may not be notable, but the event seems to have enough coverage for inclusion. I say we reserve judgement for later, i.e., when more information is in the article - but even then, with the links, I think we've got a keeper. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 23:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep for now, NN bar but notable event - see News search. Bearian (talk) 20:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • KEEP Reprint of details added to article's discussion page:

1) Is the event important or newsworthy? YES: Multiple major news networks are covering the event, and it touches on strong themes in society such as (unverified) police brutality and (unverified) gay persecution.

2) Does the article site sources? YES: All major points in the article are sited in the appropriate footnotes.

3) Does the article take a neutral voice? YES: Though this could be cleaned up a bit, and additional information added, there is no definite bias to the information presented, nor is the tone of the article in first-person, third-person, etc. No "weasel words" are used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.50.246.246 (talk) 21:41, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment Just a friendly note. Please remember that you don't want to turn this into a soapbox issue. This page is for discussion of whether to keep or delete the listed entry. It looks like a clear keep, so adding related stories and opinions not directly related to the current discussion isn't the best idea in my opinion. Wperdue (talk) 18:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)wperdue
Comment I understand what you mean. The only reason I put them here is that I felt like they are direct fallout from the Rainbow Lounge Raid. But if you feel they are too far removed, you can remove them. Thanks, Mark Markg65 (talk) 23:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was merge to The Heart of America Foundation. Nja 07:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Angela Halamandaris (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Notability only in relation to The Heart of America Foundation. Page right now reads a lot like self-promotion. I suggest Delete and merge any relevant info into the foundation page. Sasquatch

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  • Given the week and the new content, I'm still inclined to say Merge because notability is almost wholly related to the running of her foundation. The foundation itself is already on sketchy ground and I see no need for this biographical article which includes information only on her foundation and some minor charity work... Sasquatch t|c 21:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Nja 07:39, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Certified (Lil' Flip and Gudda Gudda album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

NN album, hasn't charted. →ROUX ₪ 21:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

KEEP, but MERGE into Lil Flip. "Charting" is not in itself a criterion for deletion. Policy for music albums: "In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Knowledge" (see music notability guidelines). However, it is just a tracklisting at this point, so consider merging into Lil Flip (especially since Gudda Gudda is perhaps NN and only featured on the album).--Junius49 (talk) 01:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. BJ 03:39, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Non-notable martial artist, unsourced BLP. JJL (talk) 03:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Nja 07:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Grenada–Russia relations (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

hardly any coverage of actual bilateral relations, almost all multilateral. Pre 1990 relations can be covered in Grenada-Soviet relations. For those who love to scrape trivia into these bilateral articles, there's a Russian band called Grenada, I sincerely hope no editor thinks helps establish notability. LibStar (talk) 02:48, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

United Furniture Warehouse (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Page reads like an advert. The previous version (April 2009) did not assert notability, and was little more than an advert. Martin451 (talk) 02:26, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

information Note: Article has been almost completely rewritten and nominators concerns seem to have been alleviated. –xeno 04:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Clint Eastwood#Relationships and family. BJ 03:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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I can't find any reliable sources that show notability. She has only had two films appearances and it was only as extras. Fails WP:BIO. Iowateen (talk) 02:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. (X! · talk)  · @033  ·  23:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Ring Magazine's list of 100 greatest punchers of all time (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Twice deleted article that is a blatant copyright violation. CarbonX (talk) 01:42, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. BJ 03:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Atheist (disambiguation) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Do two Articles really warrant a disambiguation? KMFDM FAN 01:03, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was Delete. Pastor Theo (talk) 00:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Chile–Ireland relations (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

noting that Ireland doesn't have an embassy in Chile (even though Chile is one of the economic powers of South America). distinct lack of coverage of actual bilateral relations, mostly sport and bilateral . there's this article but it would be pure synthesis to say that actually means bilateral relations. and their football sides played in 2006, and I know of at least one editor who would think this counts for notability, clearly not. Coverage of acceptance of refugees...Western European nations since WWII have taken refugees from wars and political turmoil from all around the world, we don't report every instance in Knowledge, especially a relatively low number. LibStar (talk) 00:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Nja 07:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Non-notable politician who serves as the "part time" mayor of a small city in Illinois of about 20,000. Seems to fail WP:N criteria, could possibly be merged into the cities article but even that doesn't seem all that possible. Marcusmax(speak) 02:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus. (X! · talk)  · @034  ·  23:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

2008 Conviasa Boeing 737 crash (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Not notable, fails WP:AIRCRASH and WP:NOTNEWS. ApprenticeFan 00:44, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Keep-It was a crash, and although most plane crashes will never be on this site, this one involved a commercial airliner. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Ok, you've pointed out (at least) twice that you helped write it. Great. Then I'll change what I said. I'll say that I feel your criteria is wrong and is too broad if it includes an event like this. Then point out that it is an essay and not a policy so, while helpful, it does not have to be followed, therefore can't really be "violated". Better? Niteshift36 (talk) 08:46, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Much better. Obviously, I disagree but you now have a good argument to support your point of view - one that stands a much better chance of getting the article deleted! And, yes, I was getting fed up repeating myself to people who felt what it said wasn't what it really said, if you get what I said... ;) Blood Red Sandman 10:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Delete WP:AIRCRASH is an essay, not policy. Essentially, the suggestion from the essay is that all instances, where any employee or a passenger on an air carrier is killed or seriously injured by the crash of an airplane, should be inherently notable. ("an accident which involves a scheduled or charter air carrier" and "an occurence that results in serious injury or loss of life is an accident by definition"). That's a much broader exception to WP:N than most projects ask for. This falls under WP:NOT#NEWS, and if the article can't pass under anything other than an opinion that all fatal accidents should have their own page, it should be deleted. Mandsford (talk) 14:42, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Keep - Reply for Mansford: When a fatal airliner accident occurs, a country's aircraft accident investigation authority (sometimes the same as the civil aviation authority) will investigate it and determine why it happened, and come up with measures to prevent it. Because of the inherent processes from civil aviation authorities and accident investigation authorities to come up with measures to prevent future occurrences, all fatal aircraft accidents are notable. This is why the WP:AIRCRASH essay is used by the project. Check the Venezuelan aviation authority's pages to see any announcements about this incident. Also, check Spanish language newspapers, who documented this incident. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
There are several of us who believe that WP:AIRCRASH sets the bar too low. We are discussing a revised version on the talk page, and would value your input. Thryduulf (talk) 19:39, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I suppose I could see in what ways WP:AIRCRASH could be changed. IMO it sets the bar right in terms of fatal accidents. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:37, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep commercial airliner on an international flight crashes into volcano, no doubt will have much coverage and investigative reports from both countries and the country of manufacture as well. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 06:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. (X! · talk)  · @034  ·  23:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

The Haunted Villa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

No coverage in reliable sources; fails WP:NF. Previously deleted via PROD but recreated by same user. PC78 (talk) 23:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedias are done by language, rather than country. The Korean one is at http://ko.wikipedia.org/ --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:01, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. I hope they come forward. Schmidt, 05:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Nja 07:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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The only thing in the article I see as a possible claim for notability is the "Freshman of the Year" award by a magazine. Lacking any other secondary sources that give more coverage, I'm hesitant about this, considering the amount of original research in the article. The books mentioned (and cited) are from a primary source - the movie production company itself. Corpx (talk) 22:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. –Juliancolton |  00:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Benjamin Bradley (pornographic actor) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Gay pornstar with no notability Corpx (talk) 22:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus. Many questionable !votes from new accounts muddy the consensus. BJ 03:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Lombardia Autonoma (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

New politic party without notability, nor any representation. See also , AfD in it.wiki Invitamia (talk) 14:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

On it.wiki, +1 is a vote to delete and -1 is a vote to keep, for those who follow the link.--CastAStone/ 14:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
  • allow me to spell it out further. This is a brand new political party that has run in two city elections in Italy and received less than 1/2 of 1% of the vote in each. I personally have participated in the creation of political parties in the Buffalo NY area that run for election in a city once or twice and receive many times that vote, and I would never dream of creating a Knowledge page for the Integrity Party or the Sardinia First Party.--CastAStone/ 14:44, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep. The party has some clout in Italy and its leader gained many votes in list with the Pole of Autonomy in the last European Parliament election in Lombardy. As it.Wiki is almost an unreliable source, I don't see how a deletion there can be a reason for deleting an article in en.Wiki. The party is notable and it is useful to understand the various splits of Lega Nord. --Checco (talk) 15:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep. Next year it will be present to the Lombardy regional elections, what will we do then? Obviously reopen this page. So at this point we can already leave the page. --Stefand (talk) 20:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is a young political movement, but expressing new ideas coming from the Lombard society. It will be present to the next regional general elections and thus it shall be menetioned again in the close future. Moreover deleting political parties does not respect the freedom of expressions in my opinion. --Tbusato (talk) 20:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. listed for 13 days with no arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. I'm going to interpret Peridon's comment as a "weak keep" so I don't have to say "no consensus". (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

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Non-notable small-scale investor and self promoter, so fails to meet WP:N. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiJeffMa (talk • contribs) — WikiJeffMa (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

  • Strong Keep I agree that the article is poorly sourced and needs desperate work. But a wealth of good sources exist, and the article could be easily cleaned up--and I don't think comes close to a candidate for deletion. google news archive search shows a wealth of articles in high-profile publications, including some written about him in depth: in BusinessWeek. Articles cover him in all different regards, as CEO of Imperial Renewables: , others discuss him as an investor, his ability to raise funds: . This is above and beyond what is required to establish notability: detailed coverage in multiple reliable sources, found with very little effort. Cazort (talk) 20:18, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
  • I agree with the sentiment, in my scan of the sources I found, there was negative coverage too. I think it is important to incorporate this sort of material into the article as well...NPOV means presenting all perspectives that have substantial coverage in reliable sources. Cazort (talk) 02:05, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. BJ 03:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Jared555 (talk) 20:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Note this was nominated for speedy deletion under criterion A7 by user:SchnitzelMannGreek, but this was declined by Aqwis with the comment "not eligible". Jared555 then nominated it for deletion here but did not add the AfD tag to the article, which I have now done. Earlier today an almost identical version of the article was nominated for speedy deletion as a test page (G2) by user:GainLine, which was carried out by Nehrams2020. Personally I don't think that this falls under the spirit of a G4 speedy deletion for recreation of deleted content.
The article itself is a sub-sub-stub about a Lebanese family name, but the author does not know the origin of the name or the family. Thryduulf (talk) 22:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I Appologize for not listing a reason. I nominated this as there are no references and no indication of this being a notable subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jared555 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Nja 07:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO Tan | 39 19:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

"Offline, his freestyle battles became the catalyst for national attention, with everyone from local radio stations like 99 Jamz to The Source Magazine vying to give him exposure. A controversial appearance on the televised Source Soundlab’s Unsigned Hype Battle was the catalyst for a brief battle with Benzino over a fixed win and money owed. The beef was diffused, and SOS appeared on The Source’s Unsigned Hype DVD, as well as the Beef DVD series." Messs17 (talk) 19:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Two deletes that are good as based on inclusion criteria. Nja 07:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Delete. Lacks non-trivial coverage from reliable third party publications. I'm not impressed by the current limited sourcing, either. JBsupreme (talk)

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The result was delete. –Juliancolton |  23:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Sharmini Peries (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Article has WP:COI issues and shaky references at best; does not appear to be notable based on google search results and its WP:ORPHAN status. Appears to be an article of self-promotion or other similar un-wikipedia-like nonsense. I just cannot find any valid reason why this article exists. Timneu22 (talk) 17:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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The result was merge to Sacramento Public Library. –Juliancolton |  00:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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3rd nom, last closed as withdrawn by nom for procedural reasons. However, consensus seemed clear-ish for a merge, which is what I'm advocating here. However don't want to implement unilaterally following 2 AfDs. I don't think there's independent notability as there's no evidence this is anything but a run-of-the-mill library, which lacks inherent notability. Thoughts? StarM 01:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Question- If you wanted a merge, why are we here? Why not just open up a merge discussion? Umbralcorax (talk) 02:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Answer because it's been here three times and discussed by people who aren't necessarily watching the article. I think it's only fair to get general input (such as those who have !voted before) rather than the small subset of those who watch the talk or requested merges. StarM 12:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Merge as usual--I think with Sacramento Public Library, with which it is affiliated. Folsom is a small city of 70,000, and public libraries in such places are usually not notable. DGG (talk) 15:06, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Insufficient coverage to comply with WP:BAND. ~ mazca 17:06, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

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Delete fails WP:BAND, seems to be more an advertisement for the band than an article about them, sourced to their website, youtube, and myspace, but no independent references or indication of notability: the authors of the page have a clear COI and while the article states that the band "strives to constantly push eachother to emotional breakage points, always taking their songwriting to the next irritating level", that is not particularly notable. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 15:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Three deletes. If the editor who wishes to merge wants I will make the text available to them so that any text that passes inclusion criteria can be merged. Nja 07:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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fails WP:ORG. no third party coverage . LibStar (talk) 14:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I oppose merge as Tourism Western Australia is an official Government agency (thus would have an annual budget, annual report etc) whilst Young Australians Tourism Association is basically a club. LibStar (talk) 04:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete Lacks third party references from independent sources. Appears to be more "non-notable association running networking events" than "peak industry body". Murtoa (talk) 07:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
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  • Delete per nom and Murtoa. Can confirm Tourism Western Australia is an official arm of the Government of Western Australia; this is more akin to a student guild or limited-membership social organisation. (They have nice breakfasts, though.) Orderinchaos 11:54, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. –Juliancolton |  00:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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While I am sure that he is a fine human being, I can't see where the subject passes notability standards. As an author, his book A Knight in the Congo (also nomintated for deletion) ranks #3,701,636 at Amazon and there is a lack of reviews or reliable sources on it. Ghits for Washburn result in just over 500 returns, mostly wikipedia, its mirrors and geneology sites. Gnews comes up with no returns. The article itself asserts no notability aside from the aforementioned book and allegedly being called a knight by the King of the Congo, but the article can't source it and can only approximate what year it happened in. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. The two deletes I agree with. Nja 07:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Non-notable, further evidence of finding reliable sources. ApprenticeFan 13:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Delete - article is purely promotional and contains no encyclopedic information about the organization in question. . .Rcawsey (talk) 19:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus. Listed for 13 days with no arguments for deletion aside from the nominator but not enough comments to establish a consensus. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

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Borderline promotional of the subject's philosophy and philosophical centers. A More Perfect Onion (talk) 12:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus. (X! · talk)  · @034  ·  23:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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contested redirect (to album article). Doesn't meet WP:NSONGS, no indication of charting or awards. RadioFan (talk) 11:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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Comment I'm not finding chart history for this song on Billboard's website and the reference given in the article is to a blog, not a reliable source.--RadioFan (talk) 04:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Comment The covers you mention dont do much to establish notability here either, WP:NSONGS asks for covers from multiple notable artists.--RadioFan (talk) 13:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep I agree with everything Geeky Randy said.--CastAStone/ 03:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment - Argh. I keep finding sites stating it charted at #23 on Billboard's Hot Adult Contemporary Tracks (Or Easy Listening, as it was called at the time) chart, but I cannot find anything I would consider reliable sourcing for it and Billboard wants several hundred dollars to access chart listings from that long ago. Grandmartin11 (talk) 15:16, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Comment If you search Billboard's site with a song title, you can access summary chart info for specific songs for a specific week without a membership (you are correct that an expensive membership is required to see the entire chart for a particular week). That archive goes back to at least 1950. The fact that no chart information is coming up for any search combination I've tried on this title leads me to believe that it didnt chart as is claimed by the fans sites in question and that incorrect info has spread as new fans sites copy this information from others. Fan sites are not known for their fact checking.--RadioFan (talk) 13:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • In that case, I'd go for a redirect or merge (sans chart statement) into the album article. Grandmartin11 (talk) 15:16, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment Just because the information sought for wasn't found at one particular source doesn't mean the other source is unreliable. It's common knowledge you need a membership to access. Obviously not all records are shown on the free trial. What's the point of that? Furthermore, did anybody think to contact the cited sources which supposedly "aren't reliable"? Perhaps they could steer you in the direction to convince you of reliability? Probably wouldn't be good enough anyway. Well in that case, you got a long list of Beatles songs to delete since they didn't chart and have articles out in wikipedia. I mean, that's what you're here to do, right? You're not here to help expand, you're here to throw away. RadioFan claimed earlier that s/he couldn't find any charting information. I show charting information, and it's not good enough. What a joke. Did you ever consider maybe putting in a little more effort than to delete stuff? Obviously you're not researching hard enough to find notability when it's pretty easy to find. When the work is done for you, it's not good enough. These standards are laughable. I can't believe this is like a city counsel meeting. You guys must feel really important. Geeky Randy (talk) 07:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Whoa there - One, sources don't get to "convince" us that they're reliable -- they either pass WP:RS or they don't. Two, the onus isn't on AFD discussion participants to run down reliable sources that support your claims -- everything in the article needs to be verifiable. Three, the smartassery and outright accusations that we're here to "throw away" things is an absolutely unacceptable violation of both WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 21:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Merge to album, not independently notable, chart position seems bogus. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 22:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Seems to be a general agreement that the subject does not yet meet notability requirements. –Juliancolton |  00:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Concerns about notability - no obvious assertion of what makes him important or encyclopaedic (I now live in fear of thespian 'pedians thwacking me ;-)). Had been speedy'd around July 5th, was recreated and new speedy tag was declined due to presence of sources. Saalstin (talk) 00:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete The sources aren't about the subject, just mention him/her. A 25 year old associate producer of non-major productions - not yet notable, maybe someday.--CastAStone/ 03:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - I agree - yes there are sources but they're not actually directly related to the subject's notability. -- role 10:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Nja 07:30, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Unclear of any notability claim; this seems to be just an incidental web page that collects information on government volunteer programs LotLE×talk 06:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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The result was keep. Listed for 13 days with no arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

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Notability is questionable. Fails WP:CORP. Was PRODed, but contested, so it comes here. Also worth pointing out is that the author is affiliated with the organization (per his user page), so if this is kept it will most likely need to be re-written. T'Shael,The Vulcan Overlord 16:01, 24 June 2009 (UTC 04:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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  • Keep I am the author of this page and I would like to defend its inclusion on Knowledge. Regardless of my conflict of interest, I have included numerous sources and I believe JESS3 is worthy of an article on the site. The company has had several high profile clients over the years. In addition, it has been nominated for a Webby Award. I can include another reference, a link to a story about JESS3 and one of its projects in Communication Arts, if that would help support this article. I'm reluctant to do so because of the discussion regarding my conflict of interest. -Maxjammett, 7/7/09
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The result was delete. –Juliancolton |  00:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Anti-Crime Association (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Fails notability. The article, I believe, is written by someone with conflict of interest as shown by the contribution history of article creator. Also, the entire article reads like an advertisement. OhanaUnited 03:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Nja 07:29, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Since this article has no references, I Googled for some myself, and while it appears that there are a number of Ghits, the links lead to sites that either state something about the album coming out soon and nothing else, or they talk about unrelated topics called Private Show. And although various sites claim to have lyrics for the supposed songs on the album, when you click the links to each respective song, you won't find any lyrics. Basically, while there is some hope of the album coming out in the future, right now the article is a violation of WP:CRYSTAL (and possibly WP:NALBUMS). THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 00:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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  • Very weak procedural Delete I found a lot of info on it on first party sources, but no third party reliable sources. This is the kind of deletion I don't agree with but the community does. --CastAStone/ 03:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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