513:. I do my best at the Teahouse and elsewhere to help out. But I am still only one editor, more experienced than some, less so than some others. Since this discussion has been opened, it should proceed until closed by an uninvolved admin or experienced editor. As I have expressed a view here, i will not be that person. You have corectly understood the basic thrust of my argument, that since ordinary editing can fix this, deletion is not needed. Please note for the future that a move to draft does not require an AfD to authorize it. See
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