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513:. I do my best at the Teahouse and elsewhere to help out. But I am still only one editor, more experienced than some, less so than some others. Since this discussion has been opened, it should proceed until closed by an uninvolved admin or experienced editor. As I have expressed a view here, i will not be that person. You have corectly understood the basic thrust of my argument, that since ordinary editing can fix this, deletion is not needed. Please note for the future that a move to draft does not require an AfD to authorize it. See 428:. I definitely do not want to misinterpret what you have stated. In the same vein, I will also add a minor clarification that I didn't recommend that this needs to be deleted because it is a future event. My concern is that this page is / was written as a future event that has already been completed. E.g. Commentators X and Y called the race. Also, empty tables for the leaderboard, starting grid etc. 391:
I didn't say that the articel needed to exist because the event was likely to occur. What I said, or at least intended to say was that, since the event was likely to occur, it being in the future is not a reason to delete it. The reason for it to exist is that it has gotten enough coverage to
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Recommending that this article be deleted / moved to draft and reintroduced once the event is over. Alternately, this article should be rewritten as an upcoming event with all future dependent actions modified accordingly and the tables removed.
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when I (or others like me) would ask questions, and I truly believe that you are a great ambassador for Knowledge. Please recommend as you deem fit (from a decision standpoint), and I will follow your lead. Good
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I don't see the point of bringing something like this through the (potentially) drawn-out AfC process when the event itself is less than a month away. The topic is clearly within WikiProject NASCAR's standards.
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Now, the irony is that this style of article build out has been done for more than one of these races. Funnily, the author has been removing the delete boxes, or recommendations even while the conversation is
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brings along, suggesting that this page needs to exist because the event is likely to occur is akin to suggesting that every living personality on wikipedia should have a "Death of <personality name:
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AfD is not cleanup. No valid reason for deletion has been suggested. If the article needs to be rewritten, that is an editing issue. Seems to be sufficiently sourced and likely to occur that there is no
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My thinking is that this should be in the draft space and should not come into mainspace until it is fixed and or the event is over. Alternately, a redirect to a higher level page.
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This article is about an event that has not occurred as of yet i.e. a future event. However, sections of the article have been written as if the event have already been completed.
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and rewrite this article as a future event (future tense) with unknowns removed, including starting grid, ending leaderboard etc.
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In closing note, like I mentioned earlier, I defer to your good judgement. You have been extremely kind and patient with me on
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Also, I see your point -- you are saying that all of the above quality issues should be corrected by editing the article.
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that would be the best outcome to ensure that a Wikipage doesn't appear online with such glaring lapses.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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exist. Problems which can be fixed by simply editing the article are not reasons to delete.
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In addition, the page also has empty tables e.g. starting grid, finishing results etc.
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Speedy Keep. Updating nomination to a speedy keep based on the updates from
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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But, all these aside -- if the outcome of the AFD process is a
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Also, in somewhat of a light vein, with due respect to
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