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This is now a redirect (and it was a double redirect). I'm not sure how much you know about NASCAR, but the race was only confirmed this week (they have been setting their schedule in chunks post-pandemic). Also, the race is less than two weeks away, so it's not unreasonable.
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Recommending that this article be deleted / moved to draft and reintroduced once the event is over. Alternately, this article should be rewritten as an upcoming event with all future dependent actions modified accordingly and the tables removed.
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I reverted the redirect because it removed the AfD notice from the page. Well within the WikiProject NASCAR notability scope, and there's already a keep rationale in the deletion nomination. AfD is not a fancy {{copyedit}} tag.
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I would like one more piece of help - I looked through all ten reasons that you linked and cannot find any that fit this scenario. If you could point me to the reason that this went to AfD, that would be appreciated.
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