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236:. A tragic event, but no lasting coverage or enduring notability for this unusual but minor incident ("minor" for everyone but the directly involved, just like e.g. thousands of car crashes every day). Got some international attention when it happened due to the combination of "unusual" and "Abba", but such human interest articles come and go swiftly.
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I'm sure the family of the person he killed and the person he injured don't feel he was selfish in the slightest... If you want to kill yourself then jumping onto a crowd of people is hardly the best way to do it. Presumably you also believe that someone who drinks because they're depressed, gets in
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Actually, in civilized countries, being mentally ill, psychotic, ... often does mean that you are not a criminal according to law, courts, and people with some empathy. But you don't seem to understand that believing that this is not the place nor the time to discuss the guilt, selfishness, ... of
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