361:" should be reduced substantially and material possibly merged over to that article. That this article has been tagged for being too reliant on primary sources is not an ultimatum to delete it handed down by god; it just means that, according to one editor who placed it there (and I agree with this editor), the article needs to be trimmed back as to be less reliant overall on primary sources (as an example, "Videos are released on the channel and via RSS" really isn't relevant to our article unless this fact is somehow covered in reliable, independent sources) or for the content to be sourced to reliable, independent sources where possible.
497:: the primary coverage is fine—it just doesn't contribute towards notability. If you think it's a bit too much then the "simplest solution" is to fix it yourself, not to delete (which is neither the simplest action nor a solution at all). Notability is established through coverage cumulatively across, by descending significance:
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