704:. Links include several businesses currently using the name as part of their business, the "Copper Island Classic" race (as mentioned in the article), a defunct newspaper, etc. It's certainly not a widespread name, but in the area it is used. It's very silly to suggest that just because the area containing Copper Island is more commonly called the Copper Country, that the name isn't valid. Similarly, it doesn't matter that the Copper Island Classic is held on the mainland -- it's a proper use of the name. The worst that should be done to the article is to merge the description into
422:. Nothing you've presented points to the a neutral, verifiable, reliable source that this name is in fact in common usage. The lecture summary on that last link only uses it in the name. The announcement even calls the area Michigan's Copper Country. None of these links are in fact referenced in the article. The MTU link only references the once-applied Finnish name. Once again, none of this shows that the area is called that today by the locals.
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Rather than burden this discussion with more facts and references (I did find documentation on the second newspaper, and also of a novel that is entitled "Race to Copper Island") and that's all in the article, are will be in the next few days. I would request that you not be precipitate or o'erhasty
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I would agree that this article has had an important effect on other sources, which just lift the article, and then don't give it as a source (only rarely). I googled "'Copper Island News' Michigan" and when I had it show me all the sources, there were three pages (24 or 30? didn't count) (I had to
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British Columbia and an archeological site in Cyprus. In fact most of the Google hits are related to the island in BC. The only related mention is a ski race held south of the area
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I googled the article's title and found far more references to an island in
British Columbia that actually carries the name on the map. I've never seen this name on a map and the only hits I found for it were similar to many of 7&6's links which are copies of Knowledge (XXG) content and not
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tell it to show me "similar" pages to get that number) that bleated back the article, and would not be considered to be independent sources. However, putting a more positive spin on this, this article is a sourced of information for a lot of other websites. 23:00, 24 September 2008 (UTC) Stan
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Those ought to satisfy you that this is "recognized." As I indicated< I've got other fish to fry, so I can't follow the google trail indefinitely. Others may choose to, however. All I did was google the phrase "'Copper Island'Michigan", and you can do it
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Yes, both of you are right...I didn't see the reference to WP and thought it different enough to be original. An earlier version didn't occur to me. I was wrong...sorry for that.
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Please reference where this name is "recognized" as a geographic descriptor for the area. The state of Michigan and the USGS don't call it this.
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