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401:. YouTube is no "particular event" but a distribution channel, just like TV. The ongoing shift of mainstream media from TV to online video indicates the importance of YouTube and online video in general. Hill has been one of the most popular content providers in late 2006 and 2007, and she was one of the initial 30 YouTube partners. Thus she certainly played an influential role in the early days of YouTube when it all started. In fact, she still plays an important role in the online video world since she is the 300:
probably should be included in the article). Kind of like saying the girl that played "Stephanie Tanner" is famous for one particular event just because she played on that TV show - what else has she done? That show (or this website) provides the context of her notability in and of itself. (Sorry, it's what my 4-year-old daughter is watching on TV right now ☺ ....).
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The Partner status thing should certify notability. She has an exceptionally large presence on You-Tube, and it is verified by this offer. The reference to her Stickam account was also mentioned with her other activities. I just meant it as an easily referenceable example. As for the reflection
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She also has a continued presence outside You-Tube as evidenced by her StickAm channel and her real-life activities. The article may need some additional citations and some work, but the subject of Caitlin Hill AKA "TheHill88" should be kept as encyclopedic based on her effect on / reflection of
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Not to mention, your argument for deletion is based on the idea that it was one particular event that she is "famous" (pseudo-famous?) for. It is an ongoing thing, not one particular event. Her popularity continues to grow, and she continues to do real-life activities that can be notable (and
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comment, it's pretty much just the way it is. I believe that this girl's videos are a representation of what most youth may believe. No citation available (it's my opinion, for pete's sake!☺), but there you have it. I'm not trying to be ornery or anything (sorry if it comes out that way)....
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of a New York based media company, exclusively focussing on online video content. And (no quotable source for this one) in order to work in the USA she received a 01 Performers Visa, which most likely makes her the first person ever to receive such a visa for being "famous" on the
136:. Most sources given only mention her name and when she has been the subject of a report, its only because of her YouTube videos. Again, "If reliable sources only cover the person in the context of a particular event, then a separate biography is unlikely to be warranted" 253:
You-Tubers offered Partner status should be reason enough to keep. On top of this fact, her continued subscribership ranks her among the top You-Tube channels. Look it up if you need citations - it's easy enough to check this information from
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You made that claim above and it simply isn't convincing. Both articles focus on Hill. Both articles consist of only material about Caitlin or material providing background. There's more than enough coverage there to be significant coverage.
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all have passing mentions, crystal ball ref, and blogs. The discussed stories as discussed are secondary sources. the issue is notability and there isnt any significant coverage in independent reliable sources to establish notability.
860:"Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail, and no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than trivial but may be less than exclusive. 212:. Hill is notable one of YouTube's early superstars, and has a number of reliable sources to that effect. It's not just a single event, but rather, Hill was a notable figure for some time on the Internet. 853:
Yes, these additional sources don't cover her exclusively. But you can add them on top of the two exclusive sources. And I still don't understand your concerns regarding notability and significant coverage.
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You-Tubers offered Partner status" is not enough for a keep, being on Stickam is hardly notable and she has had no effect on society. What's your point about her being a "reflection of young people today"?
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of significant coverage only half the article is about Hill. The Courier Mail article again isnt significant coverage, its this lack of significant coverage in reliable sources thats the issue.
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The Age article doesnt focus in Hill it focus is Youtube, and gives some information on Hill to establish her credentials to make comments on YouTube. 16:30, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
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A superstar? Really? I think you'll have to get a citation for that. I don't believe she "was a notable figure for some time on the Internet". Another flash in the pan YouTuber.
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features a picture of Caitlin Hill and has a word count ratio of 390 to 129 towards Hill. The 129 words not covering Hill are providing background information. The
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However, for the purposes of Knowledge (XXG) notability, the guideline is that once notable, always notable. Notability is not lost with the passage of time.
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So there are a couple of sources where Hill is being mentioned, plus the two already discussed sources which are exclusively covering her story.
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yep there is two secondary sources possessing some quality but neither(even combined) provide significant coverage to assert notability.
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You say "She has an exceptionally large presence on You-Tube". This is not true. She is pretty much unknown on YouTube now and she
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these are the articles cited - I am puzzled, they may not be large articles but both appear to be specifically about Hill --
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society. Like it or not, this girl IS a reflection of young people today, and for this article that should be kept....
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have had a large presence on the site when it first started but as of now, she has no large presence on there. You mean
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Reasons: 1) All the solid arguments listed above. 2) She's hott. (That was fun! Back to my political bubble...)
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because she "Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following." I can't find anything else that she meets on
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show to someone who had minor success on YouTube for a couple of home-made videos and hasn't moved on from that.
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The Age and Courier Mail references (1 each) would appear reliable secondary sources and are specific to her --
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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TV appearance, which can be found on several video sites, and a not yet aired segment on
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The last sentence of this definition says that exclusivity superseds triviality.
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Ok so there is nothing else beyond two secondary sources to assert notability.
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independent source requirements, other sources are passing mentions so fails
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When it comes to offline activities, she will be appearing in the remake of
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are both exclusive on Hill. And according to the footnote-example #1 in
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There appear to be sufficient reliable sources about her that she meets
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significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject
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also features a picture of Caitlin Hill and covers her exclusively.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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neither article is significant coverage both as highlighted by
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The Darfur Wall Introduces Advocates Program newswiretoday.com
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source mainly from Youtube and blogs neither of which meet
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There are other sources where Hill is being mentioned:
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as being the subject of multiple independent sources.
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How to Win Friends and Influence YouTube flakmag.com
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
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Caitlin Hill
Caitlin Hill
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