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The Lamar Hunt Cup is open to all levels of U.S. soccer so competing doesn't seem to provide automatic notability. Of course the tournament is covered by the media, so are many sporting events. Even 2000 fans is not much--many high school football teams draw far more and they're not notable. I didn't
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Page views are irrelevant to notability. As I've shown, there's lots of coverage from the
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implies teams which partake in the later rounds of the cup are generally notable. This was a professional third division team - it's not as if it's just some random amateur team. I've added an additional recent source to the article as well. An archive search of the
Modesto Bee shows this clearly
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All of the coverage is independent and there's more out there. This was a professional soccer team which performed in the country's top cup competition and was clearly covered by media. The fact
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