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Do you have any sources from academics or other reliable sources discussing the group's history and/or pseudoscientific and/or fringe context? The organization is by no means a reliable source about itself. The above sources, troublingly, simply parrot the group's presentation of itself as a group of
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The Centre for Fortean Zoology is not a notable organization. It is run from Jonathan Downes backyard. Downes wrote this Knowledge article himself as pure promotion and nearly all the sources on the article are primary sources from Downes himself. The article has struggled with reliable referencing
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BBC News are not reliable for paranormal claims nor are the Telegraph or other news outlets. They write sensationalist articles without critical coverage, they are not neutral or reliable sources. People are attracted to the unknown and they play on that. There seems to be no academic sources that
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Passing, uncritical mentions aren't the same thing as in-depth coverage. Quoting somebody affiliated with the Centre isn't reporting on the history, organization and activities of the Centre; being the source for the token "the Yeti could still be out there" sound bite fails to meet
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Looking through these, I note that nearly every one of these simply just briefly refers to Downes as the leader of the Centre and otherwise presents Downes and the group as experts rather than pseudoscience proponents. Of course, in reality, this is a fringe group
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mention this organization. I can assure you Downes did write this article himself I was not wrong about that. Downes was fooling around on sock-puppets for years. The mass content on the article was written by
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for years. It's basically a promotion piece and lacks reliable in depth coverage from secondary sources. Jonathan Downes' article was recently deleted and I nominate that this article should be as well.
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If you've got a reliable source discussing the history and sturcture of this fringe organization rather than the various blurbs promoting it above, I think we'd all like to see it.
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back in 2005, but this was his only contribution, and critically, literally no aspect about our current article is the same. This is akin to saying that an IP editor
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that links readers out to the Centre's site without comment. (Media uncritically parroting pseudoscientific claims from cryptozoology circles is nothing new—
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aside, there's very little here to show notability, and I think our standards should be even higher for organisations that push pseudoscientific woo.
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etc. It is all promotional editing that happened years ago and conflict of interest. It's quite clear to me the article should be flushed.
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Essentially, while I hate that this organization is notable, they are clearly notable. If anything, I believe based on performing
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There are clearly multiple independent sources. We dont delete articles about organisations just because they peddle nonsense.
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Furthermore, the nominator's claim that "Downes authored this article himself" is misleading at best: Downes
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was wrongfully deleted. At the very least, however, as this discussion is currently heavily leaning
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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in mind). Some of these items are blatantly promoting the organization, like
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we even have a little section on it over at our cryptozoology article
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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