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Sotto, you lost the presumption of good faith with me years ago. You're a deletionist whose editing actions show that you believe that improving the encyclopedia more or less involves whittling it down. And it is not ethical of you to marshal falsities in support of your agenda, which you have done
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brief, two-sentence mention about one player's strategy in picking clues. One single mention like this does not prove notability, nor does the strategy hold the clout that the article claims it does. This strategy is not well-documented or employed by other contestants beyond
Forrest's appearance on
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The problem is that these items are not referenced within the subject's article. As an editor, it is not my responsibility to find these sources. If these are notable references to the article subject (or a strategy that would otherwise make the article subject notable), it is the responsibility of
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returns results back to the
Jeopardy Archive (an unpublished fansite), Forrest's article here on WP, and links to various blogs/message boards discussing the strategy. These are not links published in notable, verifiable media. You could reference the strategy as it's mentioned in Bob Harris's book
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the references you desire have been added to the text of the article. "Forrest Bounce is OR". False. "This strategy is not well-documented or employed by other contestants beyond
Forrest's appearance on the show." False. Why not just say that such things appear not to be in evidence in the
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also states "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability." The DYK section merely gives publicity articles that are new or had been recently expanded and is a way to "give thanks" to editors who are doing the bulk of work.
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may/may not be a technique employed by multiple sports franchises, however that article is equally filled with original research and lacks sources documenting its employment, the same argument that can be applied to the "Forrest Bounce". My statement about the "Forrest Bounce" strategy is not
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Most of human history is "trivia" to most people. There are no "facts" at issue here, merely notability. And multiple, independently published sources have been produced here in this discussion attesting to
Forrest's notability as a player and as the creator of the eponymous "bounce".
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and I've got no beef, but pages for a multitude of successful players is beyond reason, in my opinion. Top champ? Sure. That
Jennings dude? He crossed over into popular culture, no problem with him either. Other than that, this is trivia and should go away, in my opinion.
801:. No reason for each person to have his or her own article, based on my brief review of the evidence, but these appear to have non-trivial coverage in multiple reliable sources. Thus, if merged into a list, there's a clear potential for an FLC to come out of this.
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those editors who feel this topic is notable to include those references in the article and to argue for notability. Accusing another editor of "making things up" is clearly not assuming good faith and is also unrelated to this deletion discussion.
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does not apply as the subject is not regarded as an important figure; is not known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique; has not created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, etc.
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It's not just Bob's book, it's also Mike Dupée's, and have you checked
Jennings's? Not to mention the book by Forrest/Lowenthal? See, the problem is you're making stuff up.
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