802:. Knowledge (XXG) is not a biography site. S/he has also tried to have the page protected (a request declinced), tried to have the afd closed (rejected) and tried to get me banned (also rejected). This user has taken the proposed deletion of a page he created far too personally. Anyway, back to the topic: Reality show contestants are not notable unless their fame remains, and it is to early to tell this for Charley. The page should be redirected. If she's still around this time next year, then re-create. At present this page is awful, full of rumour and reads like a fansite. At the end of day, Charley is not notable long term. This is an enyclopedia not a tabloid newspaper site. --
684:, nothing but her time about her time on Why Bother (aka Big Brother) and tabloid crap that would be deemed unsuitable as encyclopaedia material. Also is full of waffle that I could hack it into a stub article, but the problem is, it is unsourced and I would rather kill this article off. So what if she is signed as the same agent as McCall, O'Leary, Goody and Brand, does that make her notable. As for SCD, so has Grace from last year who won another unrelated acrobat "reality" (that I don't know the name of) show but an article hasn't exist to this date and what about other ex-reality TV contestants who appear on other shows and nothing else, does that make them notable.
1014:, a user who I am tempted to report, because frankly I'm fed up with being called a vandal and being told I'm acting in bad faith. It's very, very bad practise to insult people like that. And there is no looking down on people here, we are simply not assuming someone who has minor celebrity for a few months is notable. Over 100 people have appeared on the UK Big Brother, are they all notable? No of course not, and to suggest otherwise is to live in dreamworld. If you want articles on people like Charley while not create your own website? --
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1098:- if anon users are seen as vandals, then I would like to suggest make all votes from them invalid at all nominations and ban them all from voting. I want to point out if they are not allowed to create page, then why should they be allowed to AfD vote. Also to point out, an anon can be a user in disgiuse, they can just go to a library and any educational facility, friend/families' house and carry out votes without being detected, if this comes out as
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It's all unsourced. Having a list of references at the bottom is not proper referencing, in-line citation is needed. Alison
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An edit war on my own - that would be challening!! Again, I apologise if you have taken this personally. You should not take things personally on
Knowledge (XXG), otherwise this happens. Lecturing other users on how to use Knowledge (XXG) is not a good way to endear yourself to people either. Anyway,
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Have a hard time seeing how she can fail to be notable. and certainly since the article now is with new information and without the BB article info. but people here on wikipedia has a tendency to look down on reality show stars as less of persons then let say a politician. this is obvious here that
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and I did discuss with you anyway. Not everything has to be discussed first anyway. If an editor believes are an article is unneeded then they should redirect it. The fact she has "98,000" google hits (I doubt all these are about her) is frankly immaterial. I'm sure other former housemates have
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When someone redirects a page without any discussion and does it on loose grounds what do you expect, that i should be happy against you? and yes redirecting a page without discussion is vandalism but i dont want to discuss it lets see what the people think.and you should always write "Comment"
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The sources are their if you bathered to look and not judge just because it is a reality show star.with over 98000 pages on google i would like to add.i also condemn this users language. and that the person seem to look at reality show stars like less then other personalities jus proves my
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First of all Uchea has a article on both swedish and simple english wikipedia. I think this afd is just in bad faith. Uchea has numours articles on the web if you search on google you find 98,400 pages about her and she has appeared on The
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She has made several appearances on the Friday Night project (I know all housemates do but she has appeared the most.) She has had many publicised brawls with well known people, so thats worth writing about. She has had two MTV shows recently. And she appeared on 8 out of 10
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I think we need to wait for judging whether she'll have a career out of it. Big
Brother finished a few days ago. I say redirect, and if she is still on your screens etc in a couple of months fine. But at the moment, this is not sufficient notablity outside Big Brother.
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Clearly? hahaha and yes redirecting a page without any dialogue with the writer is bad practise... but i dont care. he has had his fun, i have saved this article and can put it up when ever i want.. for example when she is on stricly come dancing.
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Not to sound stupid but what does in-line citation mean? I f I knew then perhaps fix the problem! Please don't talk to me about Jade or Nikki, as I didn't mention them because I know that they have both sucessful careers.Lets not start an edit
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Well don't tell me to go look up these pages, you go do that yourself, I'm too busy as I am working on a new article plus working on other articles . Going back to this article, for citing articles, refer to
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Childish,but just proving my point that you are a vandaliser.will not be answering any more of your immature messages and childish fightd about insignificent things here. will be back when the afd voting is
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A "Vandal account" - Interesting. Because I don't think someone is notable that makes me a vandal. Again, I suspect the above IP address is a sockpuppet of
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I dont think this voting is about my character but about rather Charley is notable or not.and most people here seems to think so. so cool down a bit.--
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people are voting on her personality more then on actuall facts and thats ashame for wikipedia.especially since a vandal account put on the Afd tag.--
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1192:Willirennen
1177:Big Brother
1173:Big Brother
1140:—Preceding
1104:Willirennen
1055:. and from
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828:Big Brother
800:WP:NOT#INFO
753:Willirennen
686:Willirennen
531:sock puppet
404:edition of
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989:Roleplayer
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906:Roleplayer
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426:Jade Goody
1044:Zingostar
1042:cheers.--
1025:Zingostar
709:Zingostar
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583:LeonWhite
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557:LeonWhite
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354:this diff
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271:Zingostar
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175:Zingostar
1298:Redirect
1258:How so?
1208:WP:BLP1E
1154:contribs
1146:ZayZayEM
1142:unsigned
1057:WP:MERGE
867:Look at
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698:point.--
642:Comment:
617:redirect
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434:WP:BLP1E
122:Redirect
115:View log
1314:Mikyt90
1302:A Sheep
1286:reality
1133:Comment
1096:Comment
869:WP:CITE
836:serpent
775:Moriori
569:Comment
525:The IP
496:trivial
387:cats.--
228:over.--
207:Comment
88:protect
83:history
1310:Delete
1282:Delete
1270:Delete
1238:UpDown
1181:UpDown
1084:Delete
1053:WP:OWN
1016:UpDown
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886:Delete
858:war!--
820:Delete
804:UpDown
770:unless
767:Delete
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613:Delete
500:UpDown
467:UpDown
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366:Chaser
360:, and
332:UpDown
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92:delete
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660:h i s
657:for.-
622:h i s
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109:views
101:watch
97:links
54:Haemo
16:<
1204:Keep
1179:. --
1169:only
1150:talk
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