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argue that sources exist unless I have run searches and found sources. I do not add unreliable sources. Where you and I differ, is that, as WP:SIGCOV makes clear, a sentence can be SIGCOV, and I do add such coverage, while you dismiss some coverage on the grounds of brevity. These are difference of interpretation. Please also consider that in the process of rapidly bringing dozens of poorly sourced articles about individuals elected to leadership positions within LDS, you may have missed the notability of some of these Church leaders.
606:). In some instances, a url is not present in the article, but I have added links to the sources below in the table, so others can assess the depth of coverage. Some sources cannot be accessed as they lack urls, and Google searches are not providing the articles at all. The subject continues to not meet
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User:Northamerica1000, I hope that you will rephrase that request. I have, as anyone who checks can see, already begun sourcing the page. However, and more to the point, given the many AfDs in widely diverse topic areas where where we meet, it is discourteous for you to imply that I add sources, or
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are only providing quotations from the subject (which are primary sources), minor passing mentions and name checks in independent reliable sources. The article is entirely reliant upon primary sources, which do not establish notability, and primary sources found in searches also do not qualify
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It's up to you. I routinely provide sources in AfD discussions when opining for article retention, and I gladly do so. This is a volunteer project of course, there's no obligation. I didn't know you added sources to the article, because you didn't mention it. Nowhere at
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leaning keep. There is quite a lot of coverage of her activities, as a parenting educator, as an LDS leader on offering aid to refugees, and as an advocate of civility for activists on family and gender role
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Could you post some of those sources here, so others can assess them? Are they primary or secondary sources? Do they provide passing mentions or significant coverage? Are they reliable, or unreliable?
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