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363:, but are close. They are not a grandmaster, but have achieved the required rating of 2500. I am unsure what their norm status is, but their rating has recently spiked again. They also appear to have been German Shogi champion in 2012 (the wording in the English article is clunky and appears to have been badly translated). The combination of these two factors lean me towards keeping. Article and sourcing could certainly do with some improvement though. 421:. One can find plenty of sites collecting his games but I think that's too routine for any competitive chess player to count towards notability. In shogi, one can find sites stating that he was 2012 German champion, but it appears that he actually placed 3rd in the championship, and I don't think that's enough either. So there are a lot of different criteria that he has significant work in but where he falls a little short. — 245:
and most of those who participated seem to feel that this person is at best a borderline case of Knowledge (XXG) notability. A recent edit to the article pretty much removed all of the unsourced content and what remains is clearly not sufficient to establish Knowledge (XXG) solely based upon Seel's
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What stands out to me is that the short article has nothing newer than about 10 years ago. I would think that if he were notable that there would be achievements in the last 10 years in the article. So unless I find out otherwise, I think that he is not notable enough.
380:. I found this through the deletion sorting list for academics, after the information on his academic career had been removed from the article. It is relevant, and I restored it. However, although he appears to be doing well in it, it is still too early for 498:. Moderately strong IM in a country full of IMs so on the borderline of notability. Won't bother me too much if it's deleted (I have no investment in it) but as long as it's properly referenced it seems reasonable to keep. By the way 206: 283: 163: 200: 303: 263: 323: 95: 110: 527:
according to the publisher, there are at least three reviews available for his book (one of which is a website, the other two are German periodicals):
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achievements as an amateur shogi player. So, I'm starting a formal discussion about this here to see what the rest of the community thinks.
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members. Plenty of weaker players from smaller countries have wikipedia articles by virtue of having represented their country at a
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for academic notability. In chess, he's an IM, which is impressive but below the grandmaster level needed for notability through
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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and his achievements in Shogi I think there is a (weak) case for notability. --
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instead. I don't have a strong opinion on whether he passes those criteria. —
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albeit weakly. I don't see a third relist changing it in any meaningful way
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notability; any notability will have to come through his game-playing and
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is strictly informal and unofficial, written for the guidance of
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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