736:- She meats no Tennis Project Guidelines or NTENNIS Guidelines at all. You have to remember that tennis has many levels, just like baseball. Tennis has the WTA Tour level (which is everything you see on tv). And just like major league baseball, just playing any event you are notable. You are also notable if you play at the Olympics or Federation Cup (also the major leagues). Then you have the ITF level minor league, today $ 50,000+ tournaments but when she played it was $ 25,000+ tournaments. Less than those amounts are the minor-minor leagues... professional but lots of kids playing for $ 100. To be notable in the minor league a player must "win" the event. That's a pretty low threshold and she didn't do it in singles or doubles. She was a on match and out type player in the minor and minor-minor leagues. Not notable for anything tennis related however I can't speak to her general notability. Sometimes a person becomes notable just for spilling a cup of coffee.
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Singles and Doubles, and a $ 25,000 ITF Women's tournament. She made it to ITF Women's Circuit $ 50,000-category in Thessalonki, Greece, so qualifies. As to the above comment, NSPORTS is hopless, all you need to do is play one First Class Cricket match and you qualify. Yes, this not the
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