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736:- She meats no Tennis Project Guidelines or NTENNIS Guidelines at all. You have to remember that tennis has many levels, just like baseball. Tennis has the WTA Tour level (which is everything you see on tv). And just like major league baseball, just playing any event you are notable. You are also notable if you play at the Olympics or Federation Cup (also the major leagues). Then you have the ITF level minor league, today $ 50,000+ tournaments but when she played it was $ 25,000+ tournaments. Less than those amounts are the minor-minor leagues... professional but lots of kids playing for $ 100. To be notable in the minor league a player must "win" the event. That's a pretty low threshold and she didn't do it in singles or doubles. She was a on match and out type player in the minor and minor-minor leagues. Not notable for anything tennis related however I can't speak to her general notability. Sometimes a person becomes notable just for spilling a cup of coffee. 476:
speaks of Singles and Doubles, and a $ 25,000 ITF Women's tournament. She made it to ITF Women's Circuit $ 50,000-category in Thessalonki, Greece, so qualifies. As to the above comment, NSPORTS is hopless, all you need to do is play one First Class Cricket match and you qualify. Yes, this not the
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NTENNIS already has guidelines on which type of tournaments require participation, and which ones require winning the tournament to pass the guideline. She never won any of the $ 25k events she played, she lost in the 1st round of the only $ 50k event she played, and failed to qualify for the only
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She played in an international professional tennis competition. Which should be enough to pass NSPORTS. Although I'm not a fan of keeping badly sourced articles either and if I had my way NSPORTS wouldn't allow for them, the guidelines are the guidelines. They should be stricter though, but this
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From the Alex de Minaur article it appears thst Dock was his coach until he was 9, while the others you have mentioned have been coaches of top professional players during their times as top professional players. Also, the place to discuss possible notability guidelines for tennis coaches are at
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I hate to badger the keep voters, but what is your basis for claiming that this person is notable? I've already explained why her tennis career doesn't give her a presumption of notability and nobody's presented a source that can pass GNG.
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I spent a bit more time looking for some media attention today and came up empty, can you provide me with an example that meets the requirements of
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She does not even closely fit NSPORT or WikiProjectTennis guidelines. It's possible she could fit GNG but that is not my area of knowledge.
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Her career as a tennis coach attracts much media attention. Whether she deserves that attention is beyond our scope.
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This could use more input on whether the subject meets NTENNIS or the GNG. Sources for these claims would help.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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met, appearing in a 50k tour event is not sufficient. I don't see coverage that meets
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WTA event she played. She doesn't meet the guidelines, which is why we're here.
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Would a Grand Slam quarterfinal or above do it? If that's the case,
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She has played International sports competition. Passes NSPORTS.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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this is a difficult one. She does not exactly fit in the
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These are some of the worst keep votes I've ever seen.
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either; she isn't even mentioned in the SMH reference.
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