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108:). While I have no doubt that the credits listed are reasonably accurate, and I have myself encountered the subject's name online outside WP, (albeit only through his own promotional efforts, personal appearances, or other non-citable publications), I am concerned about the issues of style, self-promotion, verifiability, and notability that this article raises. (It should be noted that the Clyde Lucas described in this article is NOT either of the rather more famous Clyde Lucases, the big-band era orchestra leader or the jazz drummer, neither of whom have articles despite being considerably better known in their times.) I do not object to the article remaining, but I think these issues need to be addressed. It is extremely difficult to research WP-accepted citations on this subject in order to provide proper inline cites, since almost everything available online seems to have been created by Mr. Lucas, and from the tone of the article and the almost invariable editing by a single ISP, such would seem to be the case with the article itself. How do we best address such a situation? 51:. It was a straight copy and paste of the subject's own copyrighted autobiography the last time. It's a straight copy and paste of the subject's own copyrighted autobiography, with some of the sentences lightly touched up, this time. 143:. I believe that this person would be notable, but I don't think this article is acceptable as presented. It's mostly a list of directing jobs he has undertaken. It is not clear from this article who Clyde Lucas really is. 126:. The two musicians appear to be marginally notable, but not the more recent composer/film producer. I was only able to find a few scattered mentions of him, and his credits don't include any major productions. 47: 76:
I'm not sure how best to proceed with this. The article seems to have been created and almost solely edited by the subject himself, creating problems with
160:. I really don't see much hope for a biographical article about this subject. Sources seem to be lacking and a resumé just doesn't cut it. 190:
Also, the first thing I look for in a biography is a guy's lifespan. He was born in St. Louis, but apparently his birthdate is a secret? ←
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
177:- Copy the article to its own talk page, strip away everything that fails scrutiny, and see how much is left. ← 35:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
48:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Clyde Lucas 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 218:). No further edits should be made to this page. 104:), or to self-published promotional websites ( 8: 46:speedy delete for the same reason as in 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 24: 92:). It has no inline citations ( 1: 199:04:27, 11 October 2010 (UTC) 186:04:26, 11 October 2010 (UTC) 170:02:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC) 153:02:37, 11 October 2010 (UTC) 136:01:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC) 118:00:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC) 61:12:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC) 235: 211:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 226: 213: 69:(2nd nomination) 34: 234: 233: 229: 228: 227: 225: 224: 223: 222: 216:deletion review 209: 71: 44:The result was 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 232: 230: 221: 220: 204: 203: 202: 201: 172: 155: 138: 70: 64: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 231: 219: 217: 212: 206: 205: 200: 196: 193: 192:Baseball Bugs 189: 188: 187: 183: 180: 179:Baseball Bugs 176: 173: 171: 167: 163: 159: 156: 154: 150: 146: 145:Billy Hathorn 142: 139: 137: 133: 129: 125: 122: 121: 120: 119: 115: 111: 107: 103: 99: 95: 91: 87: 84:, as well as 83: 79: 75: 68: 65: 63: 62: 58: 54: 50: 49: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 210: 207: 174: 157: 140: 128:Clarityfiend 123: 73: 72: 45: 43: 31: 28: 82:WP:YOURSELF 67:Clyde Lucas 175:Suggestion 110:Monkeyzpop 78:WP:AUTOBIO 74:Consensus? 102:WP:CIMDb 90:WP:STYLE 195:carrots 182:carrots 53:Uncle G 158:Delete 141:Revise 124:Delete 106:WP:SPS 162:Yworo 98:WP:RS 94:WP:IC 86:WP:OR 16:< 166:talk 149:talk 132:talk 114:talk 80:and 57:talk 197:→ 184:→ 168:) 151:) 134:) 116:) 100:, 59:) 164:( 147:( 130:( 112:( 55:(

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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Clyde Lucas
Uncle G
talk
12:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Clyde Lucas
WP:AUTOBIO
WP:YOURSELF
WP:OR
WP:STYLE
WP:IC
WP:RS
WP:CIMDb
WP:SPS
Monkeyzpop
talk
00:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Clarityfiend
talk
01:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Billy Hathorn
talk
02:37, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Yworo
talk
02:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Baseball Bugs
carrots
04:26, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

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