609:. Boy, I had a heck of a time finding this little gem, googling for garbage. Dead prostitutes are a common joke in "popular culture." I'm sure even Family Guy had a dead hooker or two. So, why the resounding delete on an article on what is essentially a pop culture joke and list of examples, just like Cleveland steamer? Maybe an admin could undelete and compare the two. "Dead prostitutes" apparently had a sole author and no serial AfD's, and those are the only differences I can detect at this point. Oh, and the fact that it's pretty easy to figure out what a dead hooker is without reading a sentence-long definition.
483:. This appears to have been a very, very bad article, a real troublemaker, a point of contention, and a source of snicker material for vandals for a very long time. I must question badlydrawnjeff's neutrality (but not his zeal) as he has consistently voted to strongly keep this without a single rational reason that I can find in six AfD's. I don't understand "valid pop culture term" as a reason to keep. This is a contentious issue, and I hope you don't mind having a newbie like me chime in, as perhaps I may offer a new perspective after researching this for a day.
1161:. I've looked over all the AfDs and, while I agree with most of the nominators that this is disgusting (I seriously wish I could scrub the info out of my brain), that's not a reason to delete it. I believe this is more than a simple definition. This article should focus on the origins of the phrase and how it has seeped into popular culture. So this article just needs an overhaul. Transwiki if you want to, but don't delete. -
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Wikipedians think they are. Also, I first heard of this in 1992 when it was college slang, not fodder for TV jokesters, and there was no mention of the "steamroller motion of the buttocks." I have a conventional ass, and mine won't move 360 deg. It sounds like an embellishment. I believe the common-sense etymology involving how feces steam in cool temperatures. Origin in 1992, to me, means neologism banned according to
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Anderson Cooper or Keith Olberman? This would make good copy for them and extract the urine from WP in the process.
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Hmm, I really don't know, and I'm not going to ask what your personal preferences are, whether you cruise the church socials or the singles' bars or the leather bars or the swingers' clubs. Not my business. It does, however, seem that you take an unusual interest in grotesque sex jokes popular
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of slang or two that have "definitions" that look just like this article. Definition plus examples of usage in sentence form or quotation. All it needs now is called a noun and given an IPA pronunciation transcription. I highly doubt
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Facial and felching are commonly used terms for real sexual acts, and in both cases major subgenres of pornography appear to be based on them. This is not a widely used term and no subgenres of pornography appear to be based on it. It's a dictionary definition plus a few bits of
184:- "juvenile piece of shit" is not a guideline or policy I am currently familar with. (I totally stole the rest of this from one of the many many AFDs this article has had - but why come up with something new when someone else has came up with a very good reason to keep).
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among young men aged 15 to 25 and that this unusual interest constitutes a set of blinders you wear to avoid looking at policy. Just my two euro cents.
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