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that is now much more common than "climate engineering," and have the latter redirect to the formerand (3) phrase the opening sentence to something like "Geoengineering (or climate engineering) is the deliberate and large-scale intervention in the Earth's climate system, sometimes referring collectively to solar geoengineering and large-scale carbon dioxide removal."
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Can you expand on your claim that "Climate engineering/geoengineering is a far wider field than just solar geoengineering" - what else please? Thanks for finding all those refs and the term may well have had a meaning in the past, but I should have explained that what I meant by "modern" is the
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implies I guess we will have to tell the readers early on in the article that some definitions incude CDR and some don't. And we will have to make clear as best we can which arguments for or against "Climate engineering" include CDR and which don't. Perhaps this can best be done by putting the
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in future, then would we somehow briefly explain how the term is/was colloquially used? So far it says in the first sentence: "Solar geoengineering, or solar radiation modification (SRM) is a proposed type of climate engineering in which etc."
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