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515:: Another concern is that even though consensus might keep this one, thus possibly placating the Nom, someone else might take issue later and it starts all over. Something like 15 pages with many listings on each page and someone may wonder about the same 3 or 4 sources. At least the source I added shows the sub-pages are listed. If a template makes it easier I am for it because I don't think the mentioned refs 1 and 2 does it. -- 576:
That depends on what this discussion is actually about, of which I'm not really sure any more. Are we still talking about (a) no encyclopedic content, and/or (b) secondary sources establishing notability, and/or (c) inline citations for the individual sections or even the individual list items?
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doesn't say "Knowledge (XXG) is not a mirror of published indices", I think pages like this are outside the scope of our project. As far as a navigational aid, the category system is indeed a directory and an integral part of WP; I'd support (and be happy to help with) turning these lists into
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a directly or almanac; additionally in my experience these lists are often out of date and therefore have the potential to be incorrect and, because they are just reposts of the primary source, contribute to errors if they are used. Like other sources, interested editors can go directly to the
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stated that "You don't need an independent source or a secondary source ... when the non-independent primary source is authoritative for the specific content in question." However, if we really need to reference the items to the individual sub-pages on the WHO site, I could do this in a more
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I didn't find any but it would seem there would be some. The "group or set" source is what I was looking for. I haven't been involved with any of these but as a set of navigational aid lists I can see a reason for keeping. Of course this would be more important as long as
544:– so I think there is no question about notability of the topic. But these sources are ill suited for inline citations, as each ATC code is on a different page, and they don't address the nominator's concern that we are just reproducing the originals from 284:. Most entries have articles themselves and the inclusion criteria derive from a WHO classification scheme, surely a notable and reliable source. As a navigation article placing these drugs in perspective, it looks fine to me. Claiming a 201: 474:
Has anyone actually tried looking for sources? Doesn't this seem like the kind of subject that an intro-to-pharma textbooks ought to at least mention (or, indeed, organize its entire contents around)?
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Not much to add to Mark's reasoning except that the ATC lists are definitely not out of date as I've been taking care of them. (I think they may have fewer typos than the lists on the WHO site.) --
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These lists appear to just be reposts of the original ATC lists. There is no encyclopedic coverage of the topics within them. I think the whole set should be deleted because we are
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I am proposing a single instance of the list first and, if there is consensus, the result of the set can be nominated. I look forward to hearing the opinion of other editors.
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by independent reliable sources", which is satisfied by refs 1 and 2. This is different from inline refs for the individual list items. The latter issue was discussed at
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we can have lists on whatever we find encyclopedic and useful, which makes list AfDs always a bit weird. This list is one of ~100 similar pages in
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source, which is better than none, but better sourcing is needed. I am on the fence because I can see importance as a "navigation aid"--
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Whether a primary source adequately verifies a specific claim is a different question from whether we should have this page at all.
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directory isn't relevant for well-sourced navigation article with clear inclusion criteria per
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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eep. Useful list. Important that this content is maintained if there are new drug classes.
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One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed by
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The verifiability policy is strictly applied to all material in the mainspace—articles,
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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states that notability is established "if has been discussed
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with no encyclopedic content on the ATC pages themselves. --
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This looks like a reasonable list-class article satisfying
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primary source, rather than the copy/pasted list here.
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