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755:. A person can have 1,000 media hits and still fail GNG if those hits still fail one or more of those other tests; for example, a lot of local figures (city councillors, musicians who play the local pub on Friday night but have never accomplished anything that would pass NMUSIC, winners of local poetry contests, etc.) are not automatically notable just because they have some local media coverage in their own city. 533:. In addition to the sources found above, I found additional sources with coverage in my university library's database. There were 61 entries, and I didn't take time to read all of them. Here are first ones given in order as they were presented in my library search. All of these articles are either about Motley or contain interviews with Motley or, in one instance, were written by Motley: 734:
hits, but merely gets glancingly namechecked in coverage about other things or people. So no, none of these hits make the difference. GNG is not just a matter of counting up the media hits and keeping anything that surpasses an arbitrary number; it also tests for the depth of how substantively any
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1 source is not enough to show notability. Beyond that, it is unclear if the WaPo source covers Motley in enough detail to add towards notability. Lastly, since he is from Washington, being covered by the local paper, even if it is a major paper, is not a sign of notability, at least not when it
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could be written, at the moment most information is contained in the article for Barry himself. I originally thought it would be an awkward fit to add Motley in to Barry's article, but I'm now coming around to thinking it wouldn't be that hard to add a single line and redirect Motley
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Your point is generally well-taken, though I think there's an obvious difference between human-interest stories of stray pigs and documented corruption scandals, which this article's inclusion would cause no danger of blurring. As I mentioned above, I'm sympathetic to arguments on
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The effort also grew out of the JOBS Coalition, led by the Rev. Anthony J. Motley, which challenged industry leaders such as John McMahon, chairman of Miller & Long and president of the foundation, to hire more District graduates for local
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of having to clear a subject-specific inclusion standard, because GNG is not just "count the footnotes and keep anything that reaches two" — it does also consider factors like the depth of how substantively any given source is or isn't
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are both small community weeklies in Washington DC, covering him in purely local-interest contexts, so they are not sources that can tip the GNG scales all by themselves if there's no strong evidence of any substantial coverage
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Also, since it seems others have hit their free article limit on WaPo, the currently cited article is not nearly enough to support inclusion itself. Here is its full and only reference to Motley:
333:- The current article is rather misleading as a biography of this man, completely omitting his political influence and corruption charges. The earlier AfD produced a number of articles from 292: 389: 177: 366:, but he's not mentioned there, and the whole saga gets pretty messy pretty quick. I provisionally lean towards keep (and rewrite) unless someone points out a better solution. 78: 218: 272: 184: 726:
just his own local media market. Press releases are not notability-supporting sources, so the PR Newswire hit doesn't count for anything at all — and he's not the
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was more an expression of intent to look more later than an argument itself. And as I've looked further, I've come up short, with the possible exception of
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The only reliable source supporting this is a WaPo article I can’t read. A search produced nothing else but mirrors of Knowledge (XXG) and a blog.
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grounds, but that usually presumes having an article on the event in question. While I think some article like
824:- Passes WP:SIGCOV per 4meter4 rationales. Also per WP:GNG. When kept the article needs some expansion though. 196: 449:, the geographic range of how widely the coverage is spreading, and the context of what he's getting covered 517: 417: 397: 378: 141: 246: 867: 810: 786: 334: 36: 513: 505: 413: 393: 374: 350: 317: 58: 509: 713: 232: 691: 481: 433: 359: 349:
unambiguously constitutes significant coverage. Finding a second source is harder, but I think
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Green-Collar Jobs Give Hope to Thousands of Youth, and Ex-Offenders, Humphries, Nydria,
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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You're also right that more sources need to be shown before it
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
664:"Peaceoholics Begin Work at Anacostia", Van Lowe, Carlton, 353:
might qualify, and my guess is that there's more out there.
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I could still see an argument for deletion based on
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