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533:. In addition to the sources found above, I found additional sources with coverage in my university library's database. There were 61 entries, and I didn't take time to read all of them. Here are first ones given in order as they were presented in my library search. All of these articles are either about Motley or contain interviews with Motley or, in one instance, were written by Motley:
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The effort also grew out of the JOBS Coalition, led by the Rev. Anthony J. Motley, which challenged industry leaders such as John McMahon, chairman of Miller & Long and president of the foundation, to hire more
District graduates for local
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