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Grisham and Lukas Reiter. Ten years ago, Abby helped her husband Mitch bring down a Memphis law firm that was a front for the Chicago mob. Her life was never the same. Abbyâs a true partner to Mitch â a smart, resourceful woman who after a tumultuous decade is excited to start a new life in Washington, D.C. as a school teacher."
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1. The book itself. 2. Does not establish character notability. (ChannelCanada) 3. Does not mention character. 4. Inflation. 5. Does not mention character. 6. Does not mention character. 7. Does not mention character. 8. Does not establish character notability. (Washington Post) 9. Does not establish
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I don't see how any of these establish this character is any more notable than various other characters mentioned. These are passing references while reviewers describe the plot. It would be hard to describe the plot without mentioning Mitch's wife, but that doesn't mean she's a notable character.
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ChannelCanada says: "Entertainment One (eOne), Sony
Pictures Television Networks, NBC and Global are proud to announce that Canadian actress Molly Parker (âDeadwood,â âSwingtownâ) has signed on to star as Abby McDeere in the new legal drama series âThe Firm,â based on John Grishamâs best-selling
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increasingly suspicious Abby is resenting him as she broods alone in their posh cocoon... Tripplehorn gives Abby a welcomely elegant and alert presence."
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