445:, a Coptic saint. F. 16 April. Cal. Copt." The asterisk means that he wasn't a Catholic saint; the "F." means "feast"; and "Cal. Copt." means that the cited source is "Several Coptic and Abyssinian Calendars, published by C. Harris in the 'Highlands of Ethiopia,' III ...." -- in other words, the previously cited source. Clearly neither author had any biographical information about Abratacus, nor did any of the editors who have edited this article over the last 13 years. If we add "Abratacus (feast day April 16)", with a citation, to
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Saints are of course notable but this sub-stub may be a hoax or a misspellings. I can't find any sources - Google gives just
Knowledge and its mirrors/forks, GScholar and GBooks have just a few hits and they all point to the cited, no preview Holweck, F. G. A Biographical Dictionary of the Saints.
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this person has barely been talked about in texts from his time period, let alone in modern ones. There definitely doesn't seem to be any in-depth coverage of them anywhere. Therefore, I think deleting the article is the right thing to do. Normally, I'd go with merge when that's an option, but I
594:(pub. 1856, author J. Renouard) mentions âEthiopie.... S. AbratĂ©e (Abrateus)â in a liste genĂ©ralĂ© des saints for 16 Avril. I am rather doubtful though that we can use these ancient texts to write an encyclopaedic article, I would prefer something much more recent. --
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William Cornwallis Harris, the same person who published the calendar of saints which is already used as the main source in this article; it just means he published the same information in two different books.
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Is that 1844 source reliable? I have doubts about this and would like the existence of this saint confirmed by something from the last half a century or so, post-WWII at least. 19th century did not have peer review or such, you know.
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who moved the article from draft space and then prodded it (only for the prod to be removed with no rationale by another editor shortly afterward; let's not add such hoax-possible content to the encyclopedia, people...).
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Fascinating, really. I'd like to see this rescued, but if all we have is a name, affiliation (Ethiopian Saint) and information on his 'saint day', I think this would be better of as part of a list. Eternal
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St. Louis, MO: B. Herder Book Co. 1924. Which to me suggests a misspellings in a century-old work, because one would expect a saint to be written up in more than just a single work. Ping
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Good catch. This further reinforces the possibility that he is the source of a possible error (misspellings, etc.). On that note, I looked at the
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