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Liping in einem Café. Derksen gefällt der Ort mitten in
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Ganz so wie in seinen Videos ist es bei ihm dann nicht gewesen: Im
Gegensatz zu vielen chinesischen Männern musste er weder Auto, Geld noch Wohnung in die Ehe mitbringen. "Hätte ich auch nicht gehabt als armer Student", sagt Derksen und lacht. Anders als in den meisten Familien, wo das Vermögen des
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Egal, ob Afu im Norden Chinas unterwegs ist und scharfe Fischuppe probiert oder ob er in seiner Heimatstadt Gummersbach östlich von Köln in einem stinknormalen deutschen Supermarkt einkaufen geht: Er und seine Frau machen daraus launige Videos – und seine Fans in China lieben diesen Einblick ins
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His purpose was specific: He thought Germany could learn from China and become a largely cashless society, and he wanted Chancellor Angela Merkel to know it. So Derksen — popularly known as Afu Thomas to the 5 million fans of his videos across Chinese social media — wrote his letter, shared it
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Zhu Fuqiang, Derksen's father-in-law, said it takes time for a father-in-law to get the measure of a son-in-law. He admitted that initially, he was unhappy with the idea of his daughter marrying someone from another culture, but had come to see Derksen's good
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1143:“对对对，大家干了这碗鸡汤！”在中国视频网站“哔哩哔哩”，有网民在留言区发表如此评论。目前，这一视频在“哔哩哔哩”被点击27.2万次，收获近1000条弹幕评论。而在阿福的微信公众号“阿福Thomas”，该视频文章的阅读量也已超过10万次。
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