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1082:. The first Fusia source is copied from Knowledge (XXG). The second Vitaandmoda source is a blog, (non-RS) and the third is a single person publishing a web page, aka a blog. See the contact page where she says "If you have any questions, ideas, suggestions, job offers or even advice please contact me at xyz@ somethign com" As an example, a set of reliable sources would be a profile in the Toronto Star, another in the Globe and Mail, and one or two others. That would cut it, but all we have for this person is very minor mentions. Minor=trivial.
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851:, an example of trivial coverage is this: "Martin Walker's statement, in a newspaper article about Bill Clinton, that 'In high school, he was part of a jazz band called Three Blind Mice' is plainly a trivial mention of that band." The coverage here is specifically about Susak and her work, and contains far more than a trivial mention of her.
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