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542:, because it is her surname. It is probably more helpful to more readers to have this name page, to help the odd reader who can only remember a mangled version of someone's name - and as "Alexandrovna" is included in most of these article titles we must assume that it forms part of the most common version of their names (a couple are redirects from full name to an article title without this name). There are plenty of pages for all holders of a given name, and I'm sure some of them include the name as middle name as well as first name. There is no reason to delete this one. I've tidied it up. 526:, and even though we've got clear patronymics there, it's possible that some readers of the encyclopedia may be under the impression that this is a surname and search for the person using just that. We could either keep some sort of trimmed-down dab page, or delete altogether and let readers use the search engine. Redirecting anywhere will prevent readers from getting the pages they're looking for. โ€“ 702:
But this article only makes sense for its navigational function (whether you'd call the page a dab or a surname index). As a "name page" it doesn't have encyclopedic value: given names may be notable, surnames may be notable, patronymic surnames may also be notable, but patronymic middle names in
470:. The problem, as the nominator rightly points out, is that these people would never be referred to as simply "Alexandrovna", "the Elder", "the Third", or "Nikolaevich", respectively. Hence, it doesn't fulfil the purpose of a disambiguation page. An 521:
for example is an American, and whatever the name "Alexandrovna" may have originally been, for her it appears to function as a surname and in the article she's referred to using this name alone. The dab page also lists several royalties, like
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Thanks, TompaDompa, for clarifying. However, does the position of the patronymic (as the final word in the person's full name or as an earlier word) really determine whether or not there is validity and usefulness in creating a
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Not the position, per se, but the fact that it is neither a given name nor a surname does. The thing I wrote above about " the Elder" and " III" applies (and the same thing could be said about " Jr." and so on).
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A disambiguation page is a non-article page that lists and links to encyclopedia articles covering topics that could have had the same title. The purpose of disambiguation pages is allowing
569:โ€“ This is not a disambiguation page, so many of the comments above do not apply. If this page were to be deleted, then should we delete all the Icelandic patronymic name pages too (see 500: 156: 189: 289: 251: 103: 88: 368:
to the article on the topic being sought. The information on a disambiguation page should be focused on getting the reader to their desired article.
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a disambiguation page. All comments in this discussion that apply dab page criteria should be disregarded. There are different criteria for
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To me it seems a mildly unhelpful waste of time if we start creating such pages for all possible patronymics.
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I agree that we don't need dab pages for Russian patronymics, but I'm seeing some borderline entries here.
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as a name page, not a dab page, so different rules apply. The only alternative would be to redirect to
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It seems to me to be a mildly helpful disambiguation page. I don't see the benefit in deleting it.
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I don't really see what makes patronymics different from any other type of name in this regard.
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that nobody (except for some close acquaintances, informally) would just call "Alexandrovna".
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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deal with given names and surnames. Non-surname patronymics (such as this one) are neither.
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use patronymic surnames (i.e. the patronymic and the surname is the same name).
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions
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