Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Allegations of apartheid (third nomination)

2333:. Again, you can't "move the relevant information into 'Human Rights in X'", as Baristarim proposed bucause the subject is not whether apartheid is practiced in the countries listed. If, pace Zleitzen, you have significant material "debat the intricacies of Maori disempowerment" that should be in a different article. As Leifern observed at the very top of this page, this is an article about the use of a political rhetorical device. It seems obvious to me that apartheid is alleged as a way of (simplifying slightly) capturing Mandela's moral weight for accusations of racism in disparate locales. It's tax day, and I don't have time to research quotes, but I don't believe that's an original observation on my part. So I'm alleging, without present proof but confidently, that the subject Allegations (better: Accusations) of Apartheid is notable and addressed by many published sources. So, at worst the present article is undeveloped (and slightly misnamed). But, Knowledge (XXG) is not a paper encyclopedia, and flawed articles can be allowed time to develop, so long as the subject is encyclopedic. There is no problem here that needs to be fixed by deletion. 204:

topics, as they had never been studied as a collective phenomenon elsewhere. It means that wikipedia had effectively created and collectively studied a topic, "allegations of apartheid", that didn't exist in the outside world, and elevated a rhetorical descriptive term used in passing to the status of a topic in itself, which in reality it isn't. Individually, "tourist apartheid" in Cuba stems from a wider programme of policies initiated after Cuba's economic collapse of the early 1990s, "social apartheid" in Brazil relates to years of economic disparities in Brazil that can be traced back to the time of slavery, "Israeli apartheid" refers to a particular dispute in the middle east. None of these have any connection to each other other than one rhetorical term used in passing, and have never been associated or studied as a collective phenomenon elsewhere. Because they do not form a single topic or subject. Whatsmore, the surrounding activities on this and other apartheid articles, including Israel, Brazil and Cuba have been attempts by partisans to game the consensus system and utilise strategies regarding

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critical mass of RS-material to merit an article? I don't know; I'd say not at the moment (though there's a lot more on it than on most of the "allegations of apartheid" articles). But if it shows some staying power, becomes the subject of prominent and enduring debate, as well as books and articles both popular and scholarly, then maybe yes. What I'm saying is we should debate these things on a case-by-case basis, on their individual merits as discrete and well-defined and relevant topics, vs. ill-defined, amorphous or ephemeral grab-bags. We should not judge the article-worthiness of a comparison, however, on the basis of whether we find accurate or fair the political criticism embedded within it, and we should not chase after some chimera of "consistency" for a string of articles whose respective bedrocks of source materials are separate and unrelated. --

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is largely because this article sets up a near impossible task for editors to find counterpoints, and skewers the issue from its inception. This is because the premise is inhernintly unbalanced, especially against non English speaking nations. In the case of Kazakhstan, the term is used once by someone called James Oberg on a website called "The Space Review". How on earth is an editor expected to find sources to counter that and remain within NOR? Israel focussed editors have had to scour for many hours to come up with counter arguments to find balance, and that is for a nation that carries a healthy English speaking media. I spent months digging for sources to discover some kind of counterpoints to make the Cuba article more acceptable to rightfully disgruntled editors who were adding POV tags. This is poor practice.

2967:"Should these articles be deleted because some editors don't like the conclusions of reliable sources" is yet another misrepresentation of a position and I don't believe anyone here has suggested that. What people are suggesting is that this article is a contrivance created by wikipedia editors that serves to slant the representation of complex issues. The solution is that references to the use of the term "apartheid" applied to these situations would be found within established Human Rights - Racism - Tourism etc... etc... articles, which do not attempt to slant the representation to the detriment of wikipidia. I have yet to meet anyone in the real world has has not guffawed at the hopeless intentions of these articles. That is not a good sign. -- 1032:

covering issues, really. There is no reason to keep this article except to give an opportunity to people to push POV and OR (OR since there is no concensus as to how those mentioned qualify as "apartheid", following the description of the word - they are sourced, yes, but the interpretation given to them is dangerously streaking on thin ice). Just because someone "alleged" something, that doesn't make it so - therefore the WP:WEASEL argument. I am aware that this is not a scientific topic therefore there will never be an absolute concensus on definitions, nevertheless it is better to cover these under the "HR in X" titles, for which there is a near absolute concensus on what they are.

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articles are completely irrelevant: existence of A doesn't necessarily justify B. Many editors who voted keep here have argued how the Israeli article violated policy et al in those AfDs. WTF? So, even many keep voters accept that this article violates a whole bunch of policy, but argue that it should only be kept because the other one, which also violates policy, didn't get deleted. Since when do two wrongs make a right? I love this comment from the Brazilian AfD: "no cherry picking" :) I am still not seeing how this stuff cannot be covered under Human Rights in X articles - most of them are not that long anyways..

2485:. Can someone please explain to me why it's seen as necessary to discuss all of these issues in the same article? It seems quite clear from all these discussions that we have 1.) countless sources alleging apartheid against particular countries and institutions, and 2.) no sources talking about this as a general matter. So why the combined article? Conversely, why do people consider it unfair to discuss them separately? I would think the presumption would be to discuss issues in the context that the sources actually discuss them. With so many of these debates here, I still haven't seen this point addressed. 2887:

aforementioned articles, the subject matter of this article is complex, its relationship to wikipedia as a whole is complex, and the reasons why they fail policy and are damaging are complex. Those who understand that these articles are complex (such as those previous closing administrators on those other articles you defended) realise that merely writing anything up that we can source, and then defending it on the basis that it is "verifiable" and claiming it to be "encyclopedic" is not what we are here to do. They realise that articles can be inherently POV and can slant issues via a manipulation of

1304:. The issue of sourcing is not, in my opinion, the definitive issue here. No one is disputing that the word "apartheid" is being used in each of these contexts. The problem is in deciding which uses are appropriate to list in this article. The opening paragraph of the page even says that "its meaning has been extended to include any wholesale cultural, intellectual, religious, economic, or gender based discrimination." Apartheid has become so widely used as an epithet that we are left to determine for ourselves which uses really qualify and which are mere rhetoric. That's the 3349:- While I think good arguments have been raised on both sides, I am asking myself "is the article informative?" and I think it is. For one thing, I very much doubt I would have known about many of these controversies if I had not come across this page. But what the article basically does is elucidate the many uses that the word "apartheid" has been put to in recent years, which is of interest in itself, and I think that function alone would probably qualify it as "encyclopaedic". In fact, I might even support the article being renamed "uses of the term apartheid" or some such. 609:– much less "73 sources" – for this article's brazen conflation of disparate subject matter and unrelated materials. The miscellany google-gathered here is united only by the use of a single word, sometimes invoked rhetorically and in passing, sometimes as part of a catchy ephemeral neologism ("water apartheid," "nuclear apartheid"), and sometimes, though only rarely, as the basis of an extended historical comparison. The "topic" that supposedly comprises all these things exists only in the minds of Wikipedians, and even then only Wikipedians bent on making a 1140:

described the situation as being similar to Apartheid in South Africa, others have rejected the analogy" etc. That's pretty much the crux of it and all we need to know, "apartheid" here is merely a description of events already covered in Knowledge (XXG). Something like "Tourist apartheid in Cuba" is somewhat different as it is describing a particular set of policies initiated in the 1990s rather than a general overview of society. The present format of the allegations page doesn't really do it a proper service and the details should be covered in

2142:. Anyone who votes 'keep' has to address this problem. The rest is just spin. "Consistency" and "fairness" apply to editing principles, not article content; to invoke them as a basis for insisting upon standardized templates and content prescriptions for a range of disparate articles, joined together by Wikipedians on debatable grounds without the backing of a single external citation, and each with completely discrete, independent and non-overlapping RS-foundations, is to engage in pure sophistry.-- 1409:, "Vegetarian activists sometimes use the slogan 'Meat is murder.'", "Some pro-life activists consider doctors who provide abortions murderers.", and "My Aunt Tilly once said she could murder a good steak dinner." All allegations, all using the word "murder", mostly reliably sourceable... but there's no source showing any connection, and placing them all together into a single article, at the least, strongly implies one. Treating these situations as if they're the same ("allegations of murder") 3470:- all have been referred to as "like an octopus" and all of these could be sourced to the nines if need be. This is because we are creating an encyclopedia, not a usage guide. There is fundamental difference between the dictionary definition of "apartheid" or "octopus" that appears in the first listing, and is covered in that manifestation by encyclopedias such as Britannica etc, and the alternative usage that is applied in the second dictionary listing that is covered in dictionaries.-- 268:. The people who allege that a country is practicing apartheid do so for a reason; either they seriously believe that the country in question has practices that resemble apartheid, or they do so for rhetorical effect that they know their listener will understand. In either case, the accusations are often made by notable people, and the phenomenon itself is both widespread and notable. If this article shouldn't exist, then neither should the sub-articles, such as 235:

group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime") also bears no relation to virtually all of the examples cited in this article and its walled garden - "gender apartheid", "the apartheid of the rich", "tourist apartheid" et al (even "apartheid for terrorists" in the UK entry). Although, I would love to hear more on "Canada & New Zealand's well-known support for the practice of slavery".

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comparisons of my arguments with the final outcome in AfD, and by and large my judgement is mirrored by the community - you can take that for what you will. Of course, I always argue on AfD only from policies and guidelines - on contentions articles Admins may choose to ignore policy and exercise their own judgement instead - in which case the direction I argue in won't be the outcome. That's fine. As for

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sources that say so. And this assumes that the allegations against New Zealand are based on proper sources in the first place; if not, perhaps the whole section should be removed. (And it is a section, not a whole article.) But this is the regular Knowledge (XXG) editing process; there is no reason to refer to any other particular article to find out whether it is "fair" or not.

2111:, how does that help the articles and editors concerned Cuba and Brazil? Are these expected to be ransomed and traded in a poker game to ensure some unconnected representation of Israel? Personally, I'm not very interested in the arguments editors are having about Israel, but I certainly don't like it negatively impacting on the articles concerning racial issues in Latin America.-- 3198:. Having reviewed the article, it's thoroughly sourced, balanced, and is emphatically not OR by synthesis. The article doesn't make new analytical claims beyond those supported by sources. I really see no good reason for deletion. I don't like the light bandying about of the word "apartheid" either, but that doesn't change the fact that it's been happening a lot. 297:

entry on this list is using it as a synonym for "any kind of social divide" - tourist apartheid, financial apartheid, gender apartheid etc etc etc. I don't accept that use of it in the vernacular sense of "two groups of people being treated different for whatever reason" is an acceptable use of the phrase on this page, given that the page says from the start that it

272:. Yet those arguing vociferously for the deletion of the main arguably unfathomably argue that the sub-articles be kept; it's as if they imagine that the people using the term "apartheid" have no idea what it means, and that those hearing it similarly have no idea what it means. People use the term "apartheid" because it actually means a very specific thing. 2745:- Zleitzen and iridescenti are correct, I believe. "Apartheid" is clearly a highly loaded term which has been routinely (mis)used to refer to episodes of actual and alleged discrimination elsewhere. That's literally the only thread which links all of the various rhetorical references in the article. For instance, to take a country with which I'm familiar, 3247:? Please show me a collective study that treats racism in Brazil and legal property rights in Kazakhstan as being under the same umbrella outside wikipedia. If you can, then maybe I will agree with you. Cover these issues in a neutral fashion on appropriate neutral pages with appropriate neutral titles and end this poor advert for wikipedia. -- 2130:

don't. Note in this regard Leifern's absurd assumption that I am somehow opposed to people invoking apartheid to describe appalling situations in Brazil and elsewhere. I am not, but this is utterly beside the point. The key question for the existence of any article is whether there's a critical mass of RS-material defining it as a topic,

2641:- notable it may be, but a ridiculous example of POV if I ever saw it. These allegations could be leveled against any country in the world (as in fact, they have been). Brazil? Whoever created that article clearly has an agenda - there's no more apartheid in Brazil than anywhere else in Latin America. 3242:

is "balanced"? Afghanistan = no alternative view. Brazil = no alternative view. Bosnia and Herzegovina = no alternative view. People's Republic of China = no alternative view. Iran = no alternative view. Kazakhstan = no alternative view etc etc etc. The reason why there are no alternative views there

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I can find a wealth of reliable sources that compare the Iraq war to a "disaster". But we don't have an article "Allegations that the Iraq war is a disaster". Nor should we. We cover these issues in an appropriate manner that does not serve to slant the presentation or lead readers. These article put

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If there are allegations that "it's" happening, where ever "here" might happen to be, I'd want to know about it and be able to judge the allegations on their own merits. I'd love to live in a world where the worst thing that could ever happen is a POV article about something existed on the wikipedia,

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difficult to describe the policy, and hence creates an unneccessary fork that does not serve readers. Only merging all these articles into legitimate areas where these topics are properly explored can end the sense that they have been created to make a point, and are merely POV/content forks of wider

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Okay, let's just say for a moment you are right. If this one goes, then all the articles dealing with such allegations should go. Quite frankly, the "Allegations of Israeli apartheid" article is such a battleground, and hence such a convoluted mess, that I can't see much point in retaining it anyhow

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is an Afrikaner word and was the official policy of the National Party in South Africa. These other uses are not the same. They are informal, coined rhetorical references made in passing. No one would seek out apartheid and expect to find information about legal property rights in Kazahkstan. To use

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then the answer is no. Of course, everyone will say they don't have infinite effort, and I know I've let articles sit in ugly states because I didn't have time to deal with them. But the kind of whimsical deletion you propose doesn't serve any purpose, except to alienate editors and make it harder

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However, perhaps you weren't aware that Lahiru had, prior to his vote here, attempted to remove only one specific source from the article itself, and then followed it up by his confirmation here. Thus it becomes apparent that his objection is solely because he politically opposes one particular side

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would be furious at the comparison and I imagine would be pushing the delete button faster than anyone. Anyway, that should be evidence enough that the various sections are disconnected and are by no means describing issues that "are akin to racism". They are merely listing disparate situations that

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in some cases: no there won't be an "Allegations of Apartheid in X" article for every country, not every country is similar, and in any case they all should be merged to "HR in X" articles. The "fairness" of outside material doesn't have a lot of bearing, really. As I have said, Knowledge (XXG) only

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It is not name calling and let's stop beating around the bush: I have never heard the word "apartheid" used in connection with New Zealand, but nearly always in connection to Israel (on top of RSA, obviously). Knowledge (XXG) only mirrors information that is already out there. It is not our fault if

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per Black Falcon, Jayjg and others, but I am "voting" that way mainly because I think the justification for the delete (WP:SYNT) is incorrect. I would love to see the day when this article could be deleted. However, if Knowledge (XXG) is going to allow itself to be an Encyclopedia of Name-calling,

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You see, now we're getting into a more complex issue, but the definition of "a crime against humanity" is open to vast amounts of distortion and political manoeuvrings and is itself a propagandistic phrase with little or no meaning. Interestingly, your Armenian Genocide is an excellent case in point

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those who wanted it kept - there is no other explanation as to why so many editors who are primarily active in the Palestinian-Israeli pages would turn up in the "Brazilian" apartheid article. I am sorry, but that's really WP:POINT. In any case, see arguments to avoid in deletion discussions - other

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as to why this article should be kept, but rather "well, the other one got away, so this should stay" - that's a false a contrario argument.. This article is weasel, violates WP:SYNT and WP:OR (per my point about this above) and is nothing but an invitation to people to push a POV about someone they

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and move the relevant information into "Human Rights in X" under a better and more serious encyclopedic format. The fact that the article is sourced doesn't mean much: the same sourced info can be in HR in X articles, that is not a valid argument for keep. It is time Knowledge (XXG) got more serious

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is a keep because it's using it correctly ("inhumane acts committed in the context of an institutionalised regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime"), whilst almost every other

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We do know what apartheid was. Apartheid was a policy that governed relations between South Africa's white minority and nonwhite majority and sanctioned racial segregation and political and economic discrimination against nonwhites. That other situations have been informally termed "**** apartheid"

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in arguing for the removal of obviously disruptive material, and the articles were removed by agreement to the benefit of wikipedia. The articles in question were generally those which forked content already covered elsewhere and which failed to address complex issues in the NPOV manner outlined by

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That's a fair point and one of the problems of this article itself. That there are simply too many wildly varying sub-topics to even have a comprehensive debate here, let alone appear in one article. How can one possibly debate the intricacies of Maori disempowerment, whilst simultaneously debating

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This article includes "Gender apartheid", "Water Apartheid" and "Tourist Apartheid". None of these refer to "accusations of racism in disparate locales". And, of course, none of these have been studied as a collective topic elsewhere. You write "flawed articles can be allowed time to develop", this

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policy and mentality of deliberate ethno-religious divisive politics. Nor have I heard it for Brazil or New Zealand. Again, it is not Knowledge (XXG)'s fault if Israel has grave issues with regards to its ethno-religious history/politics. But nevertheless that article should also be merged to HR in

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Exactly. But the murder comparison is also appropriate, because, while "apartheid" has a more specific meaning than "murder", many of the instances of its usage do not fit that meaning. ("Nuclear apartheid"?) If anything, those murder examples have more in common with each other than the various

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How is an actual established topic such as "racism", which is studied in the real world, similar and on a par with a rhetorical device such as "allegations of apartheid" which isn't studied in the real world, only here? Apartheid (outside South Africa) is not a topic, it is a rhetorical description

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As for the "others" argument - that argument is seriously bordering on disruption per WP:POINT: just because one thief got away, that doesn't mean another should also be set free. If there are other similar articles, bring them to AfD and I will also vote for a merge to HR in XYZ article and defend

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Rightly deleted the first time as a violation of WP:SYNTH and WP:NOR. The sections on numerous different disparate topics on the same page are linked only by a rhetorical word, rather than by subject matter, makes it WP:SYNTH. Meaning that it is original research to combine and link these disparate

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Andyvphil is right about New Zealand, of course. But this goes to a persistent but utterly specious assumption (mis)guiding this whole discussion. Namely, the assumption that we should approve of articles on "allegations" that we believe are well-founded and accurate, and vote to delete those we

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Allegations of apartheid by user:G-Dett draw a controversial analogy from the policies of apartheid-era South Africa to the editing practices of user:G-Dett. Proponents of the analogy argue that G-Dett's editing demonstrates rather well (to them, in any event) that what she thinks are justifiable

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I am still in support of merging the Israeli article with HR in Israel article. It is amazing, nearly all keep voters agree that this sort of articles shouldn't exist, but just because one thief got away they are seeking to break the doors of the whole prison!! How unWikipedian is that, really? An

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argumentations. It's clear that the formerly South African-specific term "apartheid" has taken on a generic meaning as applied to numerous political/economic situations. This article does a good job documenting this usage phenomenon with appropriate references. The fact that certain "allegation of

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Strawman argument. The usage of the term has not been coined by wikipedians and no one said it had been. It is just one of many terms used to describe various disparate situations that have no connecting thread, in fact, in many cases it only forms part of the occasionally used rhetorical device -

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While I don't think the synthesis argument holds in this case, this article is unrescueable. All this is is a long list of countries, which I'm fairly sure anyone with time on their hands could expand to cover every country in the world. The single "general" paragraph consists entirely of a dicdef

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Of course, I can't see the Allegations of Australian Apartheid article, so I can't tell exactly what happened, but the delete arguments seem to be either about the quality of sourcing, or the applicability of sources (i.e. they should be allegations of apartheid existing, or commentary thereon or

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op-ed column. There's no context, no explanation of whether the term is applicable, not even any indication of whether anyone agrees with him. Almost the entire article is like this. It's as though someone has gone through Lexis-Nexis and picked out every reference to someone calling a particular

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I didn't read Lahiru's comment that way. Pointing out a specific problem in an article, i.e. a case of reliance on a biased website as a source, is a good thing to do in an AfD. So he failed to point out two problems instead of one problem, big deal. The "exact opposing point of view" to "group x

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article. This is a serious problem: not only is Knowledge (XXG) not fair, but the actual state of reliable source materials in the real world isn't fair. Let's buckle down and fix all this at once. I suggest we set about creating 6.5 billion articles, accusing every man, woman and child on the

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There are at least 14 countries and 3 religious groups here with allegations of apartheid cited, and essentially zero representation of arguments against the allegations. For many of these countries, the idea that the country practices or has practiced apartheid is the POV of a tiny minority. I'm

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per Black Falcon, JayJg, et al. Unless all the various "allegations of apartheid" per geographic region are likewise brought up for deletion simultaneously, it seems disingenuous and non-neutral to be picking out particular "apartheids" articles that don't match with one's ideological preference.

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As the sole author of all your favorite phrases, I'll take a quick bow and then politely point out how you've misunderstood them. I like rhetoric and neologisms as much as the next girl, and have no problem with well-sourced articles about or including such things. And if reliable sources house

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votes above, and understands that consensus can be subverted to suit certain agendas in the face of basic core wikipeida values. If, perchance, Israeli focussed editors succeed here in this effort to subvert content that impacts on content relating to many regions, then we've got serious issues.

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of the wealth of RS-material I'm talking about; the comparison is a discrete subject in itself and has been for several decades, all the more so today after Carter's book. But what about something like, say, the Iraq-Vietnam comparison? That's become a topic in its own right. Has it reached a

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Fair should be fair, period. What we really need is an "Allegations-of-Apartheid-in-X" article for every country on earth. It's hardly fair to restrict these articles to those who've been accused of apartheid. These folks are getting reemed twice – first by being accused of apartheid, then by

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towards a political point of view and hence are inherently misleading. Nevertheless, Armenian genocide is considered a fairly established title for the events in question, despite reservations from certain parties. Do you think that titling our various events "allegations of apartheid" is a fair

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The "Delete" votes were many months ago, the "Keep" votes were very recent. Obviously he has come to realize that Knowledge (XXG) is the kind of encyclopedia that takes Allegations of apartheid seriously. Given that's the case, it shouldn't be favoring some Allegations over others. Of course, if

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ever ratified it, while most major countries - including the US, Russia & China - don't recognise the International Criminal Court). "Apartheid" in the criminal sense ("inhumane acts committed in the context of an institutionalised regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial

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I don't think that solution or analysis makes any effort to address the many major problems that have arisen from this article as outlined above, nor the potential problems that will arise from it in the future. It seems to suggest that it is acceptable to just content fork any allegations to a

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User:WilyD, in every debate I have had regarding these types of afd's, you have appeared to argue against their deletion. In every one of these debates you have apparently misunderstood and hence misrepresented other users reasons for deletion and ended with the phrase "...isn't a criterion for

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whereas apartheid is when one group maintains dominance over another so the first group can maintain their dominance over the society as a whole. Sure, it's less offensive to water it down, but the reason it's less offensive is solely because the meaning of "segregation" is so much more open to

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should be subsumed into an article on HR in Israel and the Occupied Territories, or something of the sort. I tend to disagree with that proposed move, and with your comparison, because the debate about whether Israeli policies constitute apartheid – unlike the vague proposition that "Iraq is a

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Here is my response to Kla'quot's question about the New Zealand section and "fairness." This sounds like an NPOV issue regarding that section, and it can be corrected by editing the article. If there have been criticisms of the "allegations" against New Zealand, presumably there are reliable

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Still, the same arguments. It doesn't matter what other articles there are. And let's stop beating around the bush: In recent times, practically every single time I have heard the word "apartheid" it has been in connection with Israel - not about New Zealand or Brazil. Knowledge (XXG) exists to

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forbids advancing new arguments even from well-verified raw data; the new argument here is that Israel has plenty of company. My impression that this article is a pawn in the battle over articles on Israel is bolstered by arguments here to keep this article because of the continued existence of

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as there is plenty of coverage and discussion of "Allegations of apartheid". The fact that it discusses mentions of allegations in multiple countries is simply a matter of content organisation: this page (on the main topic of allegations of apartheid) serves as a gateway to the country-specific

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Of course, when users make unclear arguments for deletion, I may not understand them correctly. Which is why I employ the tested and true method of repeating someone's argument back as I understand it, so any flaw in my understanding in what they've written. As for my AFD judgement, I've run

3036:. The State terrorism series is just as messed up as this one and will need to be looked at in time. It was only at the stage when this article was deleted that the deadlock was broken, and it became apparent that it was possible to end this whole "allegations series" and begin editing actual 1139:

Exactly. Two, three or more wrongs don't make a right. This article should go, then the Israel article should be properly challenged and dispersed into appropriate articles, then others should follow. The Israel article can be covered in a paragraph or so elsewhere: Reading "Some people have

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Racism is a defined topic. The study of "racism by country" has a legitimate background in academia and the media, "allegations of apartheid" in this instance is not a topic and has no precedent. The term "apartheid wall" or similar is used to refer to Israeli policies, or the term "tourist

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apartheid" is used in reference to Cuba, but there is no connection between the two concepts, and they have never been studied as a general subject. In contrast, your examples have been linked and studied in the real world (Although I haven't a clue what that AIDS articles is all about).--

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I think it is more likely that the policy reasons put forward for the deletion of various articles such as "Anti-Americanism in various countries" and "List of dictators" were too subtle for you to understand, but were understood by the closing administrators who deleted them. Like those

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of those things, accusations that implicitly assert that what is going on is akin to racism, and that fighting whatever is asserted to be going on is akin to the work of Mandela. A lot of the accusations and implicit assertions are ridiculous...but that doesn't make the meme non-notable.

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into a good article to ensure some foothold in a strategy involving these articles, it became apparent that this game of WP:POINT had gone on far enough. When this strategy is actively interfering with unrelated legitimate content and the work of unrelated editors, its time to pull the

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of topics X, Y, and Z is to be eliminated, then individual articles on X, Y, and Z must also be eliminated. Individual articles are to be debated on their individual merits (including the depth and range of their source materials), not on the merits of an umbrella topic invented by

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In your mind indeed. In reality, however I have not voiced any objections whatsoever, here or anywhere else, to anyone's invocation of "apartheid" in various human-rights contexts. What I've voiced an objection to is the invention, on the part of Wikipedians in a gross violation of

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Little or no arguments presented by the three keeps above (two by prominent Israeli focussed editors), and they only add to the "false consensus" contrived to slant this debate, that we have seen elsewhere. We just hope the closing administrator views these in the same light as the

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I had the time to peruse many related "apartheid" articles - and I have the impression (I might be wrong) that this whole debate is a ramification of the Israeli article - people who want the other apartheid articles kept seem to be the ones who wanted the Israeli article deleted

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being singled out among all the nations of the world for an article in Knowledge (XXG) about how they were accused of apartheid. That's double jeopardy. Fair, anyone?! Jay raises moreover an important point that the bulk of the citations for this group of articles is in the

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with racism or "the work of Mandela", its merely a coined informal term to describe exclusive hotels and beaches for tourists, that exist throughout the Caribbean, but which are notable in Cuba because they compromise Cuba's egalitarian constitution. Ironically,

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Or better still, I think perhaps this article should be renamed simply "Apartheid" with a leading link to the "History of South Africa in the apartheid era" page. IMO With all the uses of the term that are extant today, it might be the more logical approach.

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Aha, that last comparison came out of nowhere, and the fact that I am originally Turkish has nothing to do with it, right? :) Find better arguments and avoid such straw mans, you are actually harming your position.. Talk on content, not the contributors.

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Actually, that section also has an argument from the exact opposing view, by a group that opposes the Tamils. You didn't seem to have any objections to the latter, only the former. That will, of course, strongly discount the value of your claim here.

1144:, which they pretty much are already and which covers various other interconnected policies brought in during that time. At present these articles are content forks of other articles which serve to illustrate a WP:POINT, not the issues themselves. -- 946:

You are badly misunderstanding this. Individuals describing various unconnected situations and using the term "apartheid" among others was not invented by wikipedia editors. Linking these completely different subjects and turning them into a general

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after which, given the weakness of Knowledge (XXG)'s structure in that kind of split, it must be allowed to evolve organically in accord with its title. I don't see that it causes a problem for any except WikiLawyers who are deluded about WikiLaw.

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article similarly notable. If the consensus changes and decides that other articles are no longer fitting for Knowledge (XXG), then this article would similarly not be. If you wish to see all such articles brought to AfD, please feel free to do a

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is of note, but this can be covered in the articles which cover those situations without any trouble at all, and without the inherintly difficult POV scenario to overcome that hampers these articles and keeps them almost perminantly in dispute.--

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I consider it balanced because of the word "allegations." It's understood that these are just allegations, that the accusations aren't necessarily true or fair, just from that word. If there are places in the text where this isn't clear,

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until some kind of acceptable settlement is established. Because to keep this obviously spurious article that impacts on African and Latin American situations - simply for strategic gains relating to some nation in the middle east - is not

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trying to imagine the amount of text required to put a comment like, "Canada and New Zealand's support for the practices of slavery and apartheid are well known" into properly-weighted perspective. So here we have a collection of massive

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the related "Allegations of apartheid" articles, you might have more success. As it is, though, people who insist that the Allegations listed here are merely "ephemeral", "neologisms", and (my favorite) "invoked rhetorically" also vote

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When I first came across this AfD, I had no idea how much of a stir this Israeli article was causing. Listen, is there any evidence out there accusing New Zealand of apartheid? Are we out of our minds? Cuba has a lot of problems, but

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is the relevant policy. It is gross misreading of that policy to argue that if a synthesis of topics X, Y, and Z must be eliminated, then individual articles on X, Y, and Z must also be eliminated, but this is exactly what you keep

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Eh, no, G-Dett. In my mind, your vote demonstrates rather well (to me, in any event) that what you think are justifiable accusations against Israel should not be leveled against any other country, no matter what the facts are.

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Having a couple of reliable source from organisations with agendas (i.e. any sources whatsoever) is not a criterion for deletion. Agencies are reliable sources of their own allegations, tamilnation.org is a notable group.

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Actually, you have it exactly wrong: Israelis and Palestinians are not different "racial" groups; on the contrary, genetic research indicates that they are closely related. In reality the article the term best applies to is

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Though there is evidence of the word "apartheid" being used to describe New Zealand's policies, in the source I checked, the policy is also equally described as a "disaster". We could effectively create articles describing

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is almost 60k and has 89 references. This article was used for the Allegations that didn't necessarily merit their own articles. The longest one should be summarized and restored to this article, it's a shameful polemic.

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has the same problem. It's weasel-ish and equates (and oversimplifies) a variety of different situations, even though it has no basis for doing so -- it's Knowledge (XXG) equating these usages, not any reliable source.

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Ok, I apologize - I didn't want to target only person in particular. I do understand your position, but I was only trying to give an example of the type of keep argument that was used, it was nothing personal. cheers!

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upset my grumpy old landlord; it's a tough call -- nah, I just couldn't go it to my grocer, my banker, my downstairs neighbors, and my barber – well... he holds a razor to my neck once a month, don't you know?). --

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using the term in its legal sense. And, as I say above, if the article is using the word in its broadest sense, I'm pretty certain I could write a plausible "Allegations of apartheid" page about any country in the

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as long as the sub-articles exist. I find it puzzling how the arguments made for deleting this entry are withheld regarding some of its subarticles - lets try to maintain a consistent approach to the lot of them.

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This is merely a content organisation issue. There is no "Allegations of fascism" article because there are no individual country articles of the type "Allegations of fascism in Burkina Faso". Would you consider

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before. I don't believe that means we can't have an article on it, nor do I think it means apartheid can just be anything we want or anything someone claims it is. In the long run, common sense will prevail. --

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that position. Nevertheless, I am sensing that some people are voting keep because another article they wanted deleted was kept - that's WP:POINT. user:Leflyman's comments above is a prime example: no analysis

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Correct again. When a bunch of Israeli focussed editors turned up en masse to oppose merges related to Cuba, and one prominent Israeli focussed editor actually started reverting my routine efforts to make

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It is the people who use the allegation of "apartheid" who make the connection. It obviously means something both in their minds, and in the minds of their audiences. As for similar kinds of articles, see

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refers to a specific set of policies"? I think not. Mostly it's an epithet... And if it's news to you that New Zealand "has grave issues with regards to its ethno-religious history/politics", maybe

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We have to think big. There are 6.5 billion people in the world. How many are Wikipedians? Probably twice that many. I'm already working on the article about myself. Here it is so far:

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planet of individually practicing apartheid. Sounds onerous, but if every editor in this debate wrote an article about him- or herself we'd already have thirty or so! Let's get cracking.--

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have got a beef with - move the relevant info to "HR in X" articles, and bring the rest of the articles to the AfD as well so that they can also be merged with their parallel HR articles.

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That is exactly right. Since we've decided that this sort of subject matter is encyclopaedic, which I didn't initially think it was, we must be consistent, as indeed you (Zleitzen) were.

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that go wholly against the ethos and spirit of the site. Many parties are guilty of continuing this unsavoury farce and these games should not be allowed to hijack content anymore. --

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per Zleitzen. Those who invoke the need for "a consistent approach" and maintain that "if this article shouldn't exist, then neither should the sub-articles," etc. – need to review

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covered by independant sources in such a style and manner that one could write a quality article on the subject, that would pass and all policies and guidelines on article writing.

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So if even the dictionary definition includes the broader uses of the term, such as "cultural" and "gender" apartheid, why shouldn't Wiki cover these usages in its own entry?

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situation an example of "apartheid", then cut-and-pasted the list into Knowledge (XXG). The resulting article is a hopeless context-free mish-mash of random references. --

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here. I've searched casually and not thoroughly, but presently the only people I know of who discuss "allegations of apartheid" as a rhetorical figure are Wikipedians.--

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articles, yet. But by supporting this article, editors are hastening the time when that article appears. 2)A category isn't an article, it is not a study of a subject.--

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makes the article look like the apartheid is real, not like it's talking about the allegations. A black eye on Knowledge (XXG), unless the article is severely changed.

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makes sense. Anything more detailed regarding the human rights situation in various countries should be dealt with in the appropriate human rights articles. As for the

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are merely "ephemeral", "neologisms", and (their favorite) "invoked rhetorically" but that she also votes Strong Keep when her own favorite rhetoric is put up for AfD.

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effort to present a situation in as NPOV a way as possible? Which should be our goal. Or does it veer closer to channelling sentiment towards a particular POV? --

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remains on the table if the rationale provided above is applied. Anyway, there is a difference between a dictionary and an encyclopedia, and this is outlined in

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Someone who was truly interested in getting rid of "brazen conflations of disparate subject matter", "catchy ephemeral neologisms", and "rhetoric" wouldn't have

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and a very misleading claim (yes, the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid was technically passed by the UN, but

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practices apartheid" is not "opposing group y practices apartheid." It is, "group x does not practice apartheid" and that POV is still absent from the article.

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the article is sourced, but their relation with the title is OR - that has nothing to do with WikiLaw. Anyways, I am personally getting quite tired of this..

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one, in which we both argued keep (and me on essentially the same grounds I'm using here). Just out of curiousity, which AfDs did you think I was crazy on?

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find some RS's who discuss accusations of apartheid generally, as a meme or a genre of rhetoric or whatever, please do come forward with them. That's the

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Apartheid means different things to different people, just like genocide means different things to different people. No one is claiming all apartheids are

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such rhetorical ephemera alongside sustained historical comparisons under the roof of a single rubric, then who am I as a Wikipedian to argue with them.

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I don't see the fairness in keeping some "allegations of apartheid" and deleting others. Call that "allornothing" if you will, but I call it fairness.

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claim, does this mean that the people arguing SYNTH therefore object to all lists? To my mind, this seems to be what the article essentially is -a list.

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Knowledge (XXG) were to come to consensus that these kinds of Allegations are not encyclopedic after all, I'm sure he'd apply that consistently as well.

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Right -- I don't think anyone is accusing Shimeru's Aunt Tilly of committing apartheid either. It's much more like claiming we can't have an article on

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Sorry, my mistake did not know that this was going on for this many days, I thought it was some kind another nomination. Will be careful next time :-(

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Neither puzzling nor inconsistent. I have argued repeatedly for the deletion of all the subarticles as well, while you have argued for the deletion of

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is a defined topic, "Allegations of apartheid" is not a defined topic. An article describing a policy is a legitimate article on a legitimate topic.

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articles are kind of sillily titled, but that seems to be because they (problematically) attract the people who care the most. If the question is

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article has had nearly a year to develop and has only succeeded in setting a bad precedent that has caused numerous problems all over wikipedia.--

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whether we find that defined topic offensive or important or trivial or libellous or diversionary or a mere epithet or whatever. In the case of

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Israel article. Knowledge (XXG) is really losing its touch and seriousness along the way with all this. This article is definitely OR - the info

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of wildly disparate unrelated situations. Racism by country is what it says on the box and describes the established, defined topic of racism.--

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Well that's one of the fundamental arguments, Gatoclass. That these articles have failed to address complex issues in a satisfactory manner.--

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mirror the information which is out there, not to create it. As I have pointed out earlier, this sort of keep argument is really bordering on

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but that's not a valid reason for deletion; I too tried to fix the Cuba tourism article for a time and gave up. However, I think generally

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was another if I recall. Allegations of state terrorism by United States is a similar article that I have argued to delete elsewhere see

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between the various usages of that term. That's why the article is an original synthesis. It's the same as if we had an article called

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Unfortunately, unlike fruit, we don't have a good working consensus definition of what apartheid is and is not; that's why this went to

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have had the word apartheid applied to them on occasion by various partisans. These things get thrown around by partisans all the time.

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refers to a specific set of policies. Cuba has a issues with freedom of speech et al, but I have never heard of it being engaged in a

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If your only standard is whether someone can be quoted as using the word, then you've turned the list into a mere usage guide, which

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This is only half as well referenced as the sub articles? Maybe I was wrong - why have this if it's daughter articles are better???

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rise to a level beyond mere issues of "human rights" which can mean a lot of various less serious infractions. I wouldn't merge the

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Merely being a stub is not a criterion for deletion. I suspect you are trying to elucidate another point, but I don't see it.

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the policies of the Cuban government's adoption of "enclave tourism" circa 1992, and even attempt to retain some perspective. --

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That's an illuminating comparison, and there's a case to be made (that has been made, cogently, by several on this page) that

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articles. Moreover, the allegation (pun intended) that this article exists "to advance a position", which is a condition of

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see "tourist apartheid". To connect them has been an invention of wikipedians, that is the original research. Why not

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of the article is unhelpful in all cases. If we start doing that, then we may as well start creating articles called

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a

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South Africa. To say we can't have an article about a concept we don't have an exact definition for is just a

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usage. If reliable sources make the allegation, you list it. If not, you don't. There's no wiggle room.

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accusations against Israel should not be leveled against any other country, no matter what the facts are.

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describes the animal, whilst Wiktionary has an article about the word "octopus": "its part of speech...

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the article is sourced yes, but the title and its implication is not and is OR + the whole nine yards.

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Should these articles be deleted because some editors don't like the conclusions of reliable sources?

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Actually, that's a mischaracterisation of my position; and I'd ask that you refrain from making such

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It is either encyclopædic or it is not, but we cannot start splitting hairs about various countries.

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an original synthesis? I'm sure that no one outside of Knowledge (XXG) has thought to lump together

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But no such reliable sources have been provided in the present case, and I don't believe they exist.

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our guidelines. Either my judgment is completely awry, or yours is. You wrote that this article is

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the defendants on the back foot immediately and are not the best ways to explain complex issues.--

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to bring Knowledge (XXG) up to quality standards. I'm not sure why one could ever endorse that.

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such), and some stuff about POV forking, which was probably rubbish. What is clear is that the

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They point out, moreover, that she insists that the allegations listed in the umbrella article

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.

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to begin with. If the wikipedia fruit-centered editors woke up tomorrow and decided to merge

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is at best a slogan, but certainly isn't a policy and not even a guideline in Knowledge (XXG)

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imagine that the people using the term "apartheid" on this page are using it incorrectly.

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easily be written to high standards don't need to be deleted, they need to be cleaned.

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is a bad comparison, Kendrick. An appropriate comparison would be an article called

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created solely by wikipedia editors. This topic does not exist in the wider world.--

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article can be manipulated through synthesis. In fact, I'd go so far as to say

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Abundance of references does not make an article more worthy. We could source "

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which carries every instance a person or group has been described as fascist?

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it's the reliable sources themselves that have been brazenly conflating things

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arguments didn't hold the kind of water they do here. Here we're looking at

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You are certainly correct that much of this content was eagerly created as a

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did not. No reason for all the sections not to have the same opportunity. --

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section depend on www.tamilnation.org which is an anti-gov POV web cite. So

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has arguments in favour of the term and arguments against the term, whereas

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problems. Is there anyone volunteering to make each of these sections NPOV?

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apartheid" articles by geography have been deemed notable enough makes this

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The daughter articles are much, much longer. In some cases, absurdly long -

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with a critical eye and you'll see what I mean). These phrases are used to

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is the comparison/accusation of a specific form of human rights violation.

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WilyD, though you have misrepresented Chris O's position, for the record,

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isn't a criterion, even if you think they're completely silly statements.

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and now want to delete the whole article. So this is going in circles. --

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One may have much more subjective definitions, which I can't comment on.

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There's no issue in deciding which uses to list beyond textbook everyday

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every article is POV, and every article is manipulated through synthesis

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This article reports statements from reliable sources I disagree with

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for its notablity, sourced material and other reasons stated above.

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only has arguments in favour of the term? Do you think that's fair?

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Although I confess -- the part about the barber was for comic effect

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Zleitzen, I just can't agree with labelling this article as a true

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Not only that, the sub-articles have an additional 143 references.

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Incidentally, the only AfD I've found where we both commented is

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deletion". In every debate I have had with you on these articles

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have a feeling about that barber part now that you mention it :)

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Oops -- I had no idea you were from Turkey; I do in fact live in

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I added that sentence; I don't believe it is OR, I believe it is

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.

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Allegations that Venezuela is an emerging Communist dictatorship

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If you can make heads or tails of it, please explain it to me.--

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Either Keep this or Delete all "Allegations of XXXXXX Apartheid"

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Either Keep this or Delete all "Allegations of XXXXXX Apartheid"

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Split into subarticles for each country/culture, relist each

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Still trying to figure out the finer points of your post :)

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Zleitzen, you're not following my point. This article does

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then the answer is pretty clearly no. If the question is

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I don't know if that's fair. I'm reminded of the words of

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issues. Make these positive steps now rather than later.--

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After considered thought, this seems the best policy. --

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the genocide of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories,

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how anyone could think this is appropriate for deletion.

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problem. I don't see how that problem could be solved.

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issues as actual issues, not as mere "allegations".

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the genocide of Tibet's indigenous culture by China

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