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31: 766:) They are news reports about someone becoming a model because of a photograph. Whether you class that as events or human interest stories, these are primary. These do not count towards notability. There have been a string of keep votes that are not based in policy, but the policy reasons for keep have argued notability. Sourcing does not back up those arguments. Fails 517:: He is not among people notable for only one event. He went viral by chance then he became a professional model for brands, he did music videos as a model, and now he opens a cafe. On his every achievement, he has good media coverage. So, WP:IE does not apply here. Pakistani and international media cover him. Even Indian news sources which are RS, cover him.-- 89:
for keeping it running this long. Views expressed here are passionate, and seem evenly divided. But upon closer inspection, almost all the "Keep" !votes rely on irrelevant reasons. Yes, the guy certainly exists, as is supported by a plethora of reliable sources, and I'm sure he is very popular. But
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to say whether this person will be notable or just a 1E footnote. There are 13 sources in the article, which the better keep arguments have addressed. One of them is the BBC. However, no attention has been given to the fact that these are primary sources (see
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A non-notable tea seller, looks like the creator is just advertising about the new Cafe started by the subject. I think, one person is getting viral everyday but this does not help them to be Notable. Hence, fails
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coverage mostly, and later non-significant stories building on that 1E, not notable enough. WP is not a place to track life stories of people who were once famous on the internet. Thanks,
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Final relist. Let's table the issue of how this subject became notable and focus on sources that establish notability. Right now, this is looking like a No consensus closure.
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none of that counters the basic problem of WP:1E. At this point, the man has not achieved notability that is independent from that one event.
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Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject.
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is a RS. Going viral is a thing now, we can keep articles about people attaining fame this way.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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No one here is alleging this is promotion and your argument doesn't address the concern of
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in Arshad's pocket to promote him or get him a Knowledge (XXG) article! Clear case of
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While there may have been significant coverage on the subject, but it is still
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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If he is a professional model (and went viral by chance), the
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Most of the Keeps are votes without substantial reasoning.
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should mention as such, instead of building story on the
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