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302:(Oppose/Keep)::Due to the fact the artist Zachary King also know as Atlas shared the photos for reference I attributed them to him as the copyright holder in the shared commons licensing , but it was also my first time uploading photos to Wikicommons and I may have misunderstood the process. From what I read, they would be considered creative commons to be free to share and download, and therefore weren't protected by copyright. I can ask for permission if the copyright needs to be under my username Kolourz. Please help me understand this process better, thank you for your time. 497:"If you think you've met those standards but the improvements took place after most people finished discussion, one final option is Knowledge:Deletion review. You can also request the article to be moved into userspace or into draftspace, (especially in the case of subjects that are not yet notable, but will likely become notable in the near future)." This would be an option I'd preferably like to avoid for the Atlas (musician) article , he is building recognition and is notable to a demographic. 413:
One might equate that the username Vexations, which by definition is "the act of harassing or vexing : TROUBLING" another person or thing, could explain the motive behind Vexations marking the page for deletion as retaliation under the guise of "notability". Which would be in direct violation of the
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AllMusic is a highly regarded independent reliable source for finding composer credits, and a musician must be qualified by their requirements before being cited on the platform. Also Zachary Jarrett King is a SESAC song-writer affiliate which is a perfoming rights organization that is invitation
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that provide in-depth coverage of the subject. In other words; we need to see that more than one competent person, not just some random person on the internet, has written a serious piece about Atlas that critically analyses his work. As far as I can tell, that hasn't been the case. If you haven't
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This is correct. Allmusic, per multiple source reviews, can be (though not always) reliable for those profile entries containing career biographic information written by staff writers. However, simple listings--such as in this case--are the result of any music released for sale, compiled by the
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I am referring to the manner in which you nominated the page for deletion, looking at the view history it corroborates what Kolourz stated. If you were genuine about the assessment, why not nominate the article for deletion first, not after he accidentally undid your edit. Secondly, it does put
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Kolourz in a troubling or vexing situation, with all of the work now up for deletion, based on one reviewers opinion of the article. For new users, Knowledge can be a hard and unforgiving platform to navigate, I hope your intentions are well and not to discourage others from being on the site.
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also known as Atlas, might not have enough citable sources on Knowledge yet. He has gained notability performing throughout the Southeastern United States. He's performed with notable Grammy nominated acts like Bonobo, Nightmares on Wax, Minnesota, and more. Publications shouldn't be the only
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conditions and will continue to be sourced accordingly, unfortunately claims of "international recognition" come from music blogs such as an artictle about a song "Vapor" by Atlas from Indieshuffle, that does not meet the citation requirements and so therefore it has been
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Could you define what makes an artist "notable" from a creditable source? I am just concered it might be subjective since you're the only one who has made this claim, and marked the page for deletion right after I accidently undid one of your edits. Thanks
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TiVo tries to add recordings and review as many CDs possible, but can't make any promises about which artists and titles will receive an enhanced level of editorial coverage.
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only, which would make him a notable composer and credible song-writer by their organizations standards Maroon 5, Adele, and One Republic are also SESAC affiliates.
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for bring this to my attention and my apologies for undoing any of your edits this is my first article on Knowledge and I am still getting the hang of it.
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for why "will be notable in the near future" is an argument to avoid in avoid in deletion discussions. Facebook is a self-published, primary source, per
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In fairness, "Atlas" as a word makes it difficult find info connected to this subject. However, nothing related to "Zachary King" turns up, either.
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first. This nomination is not "retaliation" for anything. I bear no animus towards anyone involved. The nomination results from my assessment as a
256:(Oppose/Keep) Article is not autobiographical, photos were shared by the artist and uploaded for reference. Article has been corrected to meet the 167: 830:
Rovi/TiVo database. Such credits are common and can be user submitted. In such cases, it is not a significant source for proving notability.
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Shows supporting credible sources, has artist page Atlas Music on Facebook verfied notes "Zachary King" as sole band member.
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as it has no bearing on the notability of the musician, which is the topic of this nomination for deletion. --
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that this level of coverage doesn't exist yet. Perhaps it will someday, but for right now I'd say
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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qualifying factor in a musicians recognition or notability. According to the
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that the article lacks sources that establish the subject's notability. --
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was created by claims "Zachary King - Own work" and links Zachary King to
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is the venue where you'd address that. Go right ahead, but please read
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Sure. There are two guidelines that are relevant here: The first is the
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https://en.wikipedia.org/Atlas_(musician)#/media/File:Atlas_in_2016.jpg
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I'll try to explain the issue with the copyright and attribution on
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https://www.allmusic.com/artist/zachary-jarrett-king-mn0003746331
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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and the second is the subject-specific notability guideline,
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Unfortunately neither AllMusic nor SESAC are part of the
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list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletion discussions
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