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Looking at the references, it appears to me to be just notable enouhg for inclusion. They are not fabulous, but they are there, he is a musician on the national and international stage, and the subject has recieved some quality press for their work, My research also showed that the subject is well known in South Africa in relation to hi musical career, thus Meets WP:MUSICBIO.
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