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less like an outline, but that;s just a matter of editing. A.D.'s argument that it is incapable of improvement does not seem reasonable to me. Any ordinarily intelligent person who knows high school math can understand the subject . It's already in a basically radable structure, and there's hundreds of regular editors here skilled enough in organization to improve it. The argument that if the improvement doesn't happen in 7 days it will never happen afterwards is belied by the history of almost every major article on
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this article?) and such problems are never solved on WP by piecemeal editing, only by re-planning an article from scratch. We might choose to recycle parts of this article into a real article, but given the low quality of what's there and the risk of copyvios too (read the
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The purpose of a glossary is to support articles, not to contain essential details. A blow-off cock is not a digression but a vital component and so forms a fundamental part of the design. It should also be noted that you have a history of editing that glossary article but have not mentioned your
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We could use an article on boiler design. This isn't it. The process by which we acquired this article is so poor and so riddled with copyvios, that we would be best served by deleting the whole article (and this is one of several). There's no useful content in here, there's certainly no useful
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