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262:(2)This entry seems relies heavily on self-published sources or interviews about himself, which is not reliable sources.The whole "Early life" basically came from his self-published books, his blog or interviews with the subject. Almost all of them were subjective. I already cut out quite a few paragraphs that were poorly sourced. Like the previous edits claimed he is a lecturer in couple Japanese Universities but all I found is the subject posted some pictures with seemingly students in it. I couldnt found any official records from those universities. So it's almost impossible to tell if he is a lecturer or just some guy who happened gave out a speech in those places. The editor Ray Jameson, who created this page, also included a section name called "Ariana Miyamoto and Naomi Osaka" but the whole section just talked about McNeil had wrote some columns about them and gave out his personal opinions, which is hardly worth metioning in a wiki page. The whole previous page seems more like a self-promotion page as most of the things there were overwhelmingly positive and the used of words were quite subjective. I already tried to clear out this problem and balance both opinions but I think it's worth mentioning here. 259:(1) The subject have problems with notability. He basically is a blogger, self-published book author and part time columnist (Mainly The Japan Times). Although he wrote several pieces to more well-known news media like The Washington Post, I dont think it's notable enough to have it own page. The only thing he did that could be considered somehow notable is his involvement in the 2018 Fuji TV "Blackface" incident. But his involvement was mainly just wrote some op-ed to protest and some of his remarks was picked up by some US news media. Although the subject name pops up here and there in some big media coverages, almost all of them are just asking his thoughts about Fuji TV "Blackface" incident. Most of the other news pieces that include him were just like that. Other than that, he is, to put it mildly, a nobody (Except his remarks last year cause some backlash in Japan).So I think he fails WP:GNG 449:(his "employer" in a manner of speaking) compelling, but excluding those results still leaves a number of articles on Naomi Osaka, etc. in various international papers. However, I do think that we should be more vigilant about this article's content and cut anything that can't be attributed to a reliable secondary source, as was done some years ago with 536:
It seems like three of us agreed that the subject is not specially notable and most sources about him are unreliable. The subject's commentary about the Fuji TV "Blackface" incident and Naomi Osaka were sought out by some media outlets but that's about it. User HumanxAnthro and I both agreed merging
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For western ex-pats (and possibly also non-western Black ex-pats) in Japan, at least those of my "generation", McNeil is something of a household name, and while I don't think being relatively famous within a certain small community merits a standalone Knowledge (XXG), nor do I find the fact that he
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The article needs cleaning up to tone down the possible self-promotion, but it already includes sourced information critical of him (thanks in part to Someone97816). It also includes citations of articles in major media that introduce him such as the NYT. Further searches see him on the BBC
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Fails notablilty and full of unreliable sources. As user HumanxAnthro above point out, the Fuji TV incident should be merged into that section of the Fuji TV page instead. The subject need a lot more nontrivial coverage about himself to have a standalone Knowledge (XXG)
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Agreed. I think a section named "Controversy" in the Fuji TV page explaining this incident would be just fine. This incident did not last long nor really that "noticeable". I doubt that it would have much contents and sources for its separate standalone
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I came across this article and found it contained a lot of problems (Too one-sided, rely on self-published sources and notability issues). I actually took a couple days trying to improve it but the problem still exist after I edited it couple times.
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I checked those articles where his comments were cited but every pieces are the same quotes(Chinese and English alike) How about we put his opinions on the Naomi Osaka page instead of having its own page? Seem more fitting that
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etc. He has, in a sense, become an authority on the subject. Given that his commentary has gone beyond any one incident, it makes no sense to merge this with any one incident.
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I for this article being merged into that section as well, or maybe an article about the Fuji TV blackface incident where his involvement can be discussed there?
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I see. How about create a section on the Naomi Osaka page, explaining the incident and include his opinions in it instead? Seem more fitting.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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his remarks into the sections of repectively articles insteads would be a better ideas.
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If u look back those early version, it's definitely feel like a promotional page
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terms, like "early interest." Also, looks like an advertisement. --
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But very weakly. I agree with the issues of most of the refs being
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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There are several problems with the subject Baye McNeil.
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