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sources refer to the generality of Africa or sub-Saharan or Arab-African countries and were limited to brief mentions in those regards. Obviously "only baha'i sources" is incorrect. Everyone has agreed non-Baha'i sources are used. Let's find ways to improve the article and there's nothing wrong with using sources in responsible ways. As for WCE please note the scholarly review of their information from other sources which actually counter Wargit's pov in that they over-estimate
Christians and thus under-report other groups as a general rule in the section immediately above the commentary about the Baha'is - by all means look up the papers.
516:: I'm not sure why this was nominated. I have a copy of World Christian Encyclopedia (2001) and for Baha'is in Chad it estimates 80,000 in 2000 and says: "Rapid expansion to 50 local spiritual assemblies by 1973, with 3,500 active members and a school at Gassi. Thereafter, however, growth became explosive, rising by 1996 to 437 organized LSAs." Coverage from Baha'i scholars with academic credentials and independent publishers seems significant.
659:, perhaps the foremost expert on Baha'is, writes that WCE's Baha'i numbers are unreliable and exaggerated. Religious Intelligence (2007) mentions that there are 80,335 Baha'is, though it doesn't appear to be a scholarly source. Given that WCE and Religious Intelligence are not reliable sources and they tend to be vastly higher than census figures of Baha'is reported by the UN Statistics Division (see
285:- Graham Hassall, Moojan Momen, and Peter Smith are professional scholars who have published a number of materials in various professional journals as have others such as those cited. Statistics from demographic encyclopedias (Religious Intelligence, ARDA, Adherents.com) as well as the US State Department show notable population.
536:. Any country with a reasonably large representation of a worldwide religion should be susceptible to supporting an article on that religion in that country. This example does not seem at all out of bounds. If there are concerns about the quality or independence of sources, tag them for better sources being needed.
651:– All the independent sources have mentioned Baha'is in a trivial manner only. Smith and Momen do not mention Chad, and Hassall gives one sentence in a non-scholarly online source. World Christian Encyclopedia (WCE) says the number of Baha'is in Chad is 80,300 (2000) and 96,845 (2005). However, as noted at
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326:: Fine, but this article is almost totally dependent on Baha'i sources only. Adherants.com and Religiousintelligence are both dead websites since years. Not sure how reliable they are? Google search, Google books, Google scholar have nothing on this subject.
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