150:, with the majority of these being either Knowledge mirrors of this article, content about the location in Madagascar, or unrelated to either. Searches of Scholar and Books come up with results falling into similar categories. Use of terms such as "ship" or "German" as qualifiers either return no results, or return results with no intersection between the terms. The official Australian World War I history (available through the
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584:"...and ourselves, went aboard the Beramba in Melbourne bound for Aden … not Aden … yes Aden it was and eh eventually into Cape Town and on our way from Cape Town to Sierra Leone, which is on the West African coast the … what we term the Spanish Flu broke out… it was a devastating disease and eh … all the medicine on the ship was used up."
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Western Australia as a replacement for a requesitioned ship, I doubt they are the same. General seraches of the Australian War Memorial nad Royal Australian Navy websites retuen no results for
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it is true. The lack of verification through the use of multiple reliable sources is my main concern and my main reason for nomination. A single man's brief reminisces as part of two recorded interviews, while more reliable than most sources that can be found on the internet, should not be the sole
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Australian mates, I'm surprised the guy didn't say he was the ship's captain and that he sank a German battleship or two with it! :) Anyway, I don't think there's a Beramba, but I think we should work on the Omrah! Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oy Oy Oy.
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sources can be found to verify the existance of this ship. All those posted thus far seem to be sourced back to one particular person, and other searches for information on this vessel have drawn a blank. At the moment, I'd have to say this is more or less
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As far as I'm aware, only ships which were commissioned into a navy are considered automatically notable (as it's a given that there will be sufficient reliable sources on these ships) - all other ships need to demonstrate that they pass
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Unfortunately, the two sources you link to can both be traced back to the same gentleman (or his family) on whose oral history the article is based, so it still boils down to one man's memory as the basis for this article. —
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But one of the facts presented in the article is that the ship was captured from the
Germans - all of the ships on that list were requesitioned and entered wartime service on the side of the British Commonwealth. --
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The content is brief, and the only sources for the content I can find are the two interview transcripts listed as external links, and these are only brief mentions in hour-long interviews. Generic Google lists only
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582:(outdent) If she was commissioned, it wasn't in an Australian naval force. As for matching them up, dates aren't given in either transcript, but the voyage route is (to quote from the transcript:
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Indeed there are likely to be sources for the ship, but the question is which ship? There's no record of a
Beramba. I've added the article information and my original research speculation to the
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Australians tell stories? Formerly British, German, it's an oral history. And try saying Omrah with an Australian accent...
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