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392:--he went up against a lot of tough competition over several difficult tournaments. This alone should make him notable, but I notice you also ignored my other points. You're simply interested in focusing on one thing--"delete all game show winners from Knowledge"--and that's sufficient justification for you. It's a little tiring to keep up with all your nominations and it's basically unfair because it monopolizes the time of all who would challenge your determinations in order to keep the content around. 442:, etc.). I have made no statement claiming that all game show winners are non-notable, and to categorize my efforts as that "is absurd". The AFDs I have started recently include similar arguments that simply becoming a champion on a game show does not make someone notable enough to warrant an article here. There have been hundreds of game shows with tens of thousands of contestants. 534:- I've been in favor of deleting every single Jeopardy Winner Trivia Page up till now — but Rutter's status as THE top winner (along with extensive secondary coverage) puts him in another category, I would argue. Then again, if consensus was to make this go page go away, it wouldn't bother me a whit. — 369:–Every person who has hosted a television show does not meet notability guidelines. Subject has not had significant roles in..television shows...does not have a large fan base or a significant "cult" following, has not made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment, etc. 406:
Sottolacqua, I'm a major deletionist, but that deletes 95% of television biographies if you only keep those who "made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." Rutter is clealy notable, and your comparisons fail to stand up. I've made some broad notability assumptions
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record holders probably don't meet notability standards either, the one-day record in combination with additional notable achievements results in a compound argument for notability which you seem to have only been attempting to attack by dissecting each factor rather than attacking the figure's
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winnings record holder, and also was at one point the all-time highest American game show winnings record holder. Either of these would be sufficient to sustain notability provided that they were backed up by some press, which is no problem in Rutter's case. While certain one-day
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You're simply fabricating rationalizations for being deletionist. This is a figure of notability. He held the record for winning more money on American TV than anyone. And he didn't do it in a one-off gig like
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several times over a span of several years, and received media attention at several points during that run. I don't see how this is a BLP1E issue. Plus, I think it's natural for readers to be curious about the
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demonstrated by significant coverage in independent reliable sources given in article (and which can be readily found for a record-holder). Rutter's appearance on
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I've not stated that every game show winner is non-notable. There are several game show winner/contestant articles that are clearly notable subjects (
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I would tend to agree. However, that was not the case with Rutter, who was never a one-day winnings record holder. He was and remains the all-time
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was highly publicized and that voluminous outside treatment should be enough to establish notability. Fourth, even if Rutter had never been on
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Although the person received media coverage at the time of their appearance on a game show, there is no notability beyond the single event.
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Holding a one-day winnings record (that was later exceeded) on any given game show is not criteria that proves notability.
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contestant who wasn't their friend or relative (without doing a Google search)? You can't lump all game shows together.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Nomination follows reasons listed in other similar deletion discussions, including the following:
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he would still probably qualify as a minor Pennsylvania television celebrity for his hosting of
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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is factor, as there has been little/no coverage since the initial appearance on a game show.
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For that achievement alone he is notable. Third, a quick Google shows that his win over
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game show does not prove notability. There are not articles for the biggest winners on
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notability as a whole given all of the factors involved taken together (as with, say
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Article was nominated individually after initially being included in a bundeled AFD.
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multiple contestants who have no other coverage into a list article, such as
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Just out of curiosity, can anyone in this discussion actually name a single
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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As the highest TV winner ever, he is well-sourced and notable.
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too, but calling every game show winner non-notable is absurd.
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