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This article does not meet notability guidelines. We decided to delete the Reds-Cardinals rivalry page for that very reason. There were not enough notable sources depicting that rivalry just like there aren't enough now. This rivalry was strong in the late 90's and really no other time besides then.
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these kinds of articles, but that's not a valid delete reason, so I'm not using it. The aritcle appears to be well-sourced, if poorly written and organized, but again those aren't valid dleete reasons. I do think this type of content would be better covered on the main articles, seaso articloes, and
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What notability guidelines are you talking about? Has this rivalry stood the test of time? No. Have there been numerous sources documenting the rivalry since the inception of the Mets? No. Aside from the late 90's, there isn't any reason to even consider the two teams a rivalry. The Reds-Cardinals
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