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Brian Clark's experience was widely covered at the time, and it has received ongoing coverage in reliable sources since. This subject's notability is not derived from Clark's mere presence at the event, but, rather form the fact that his experience on that day has been and still is covered by major
340:- Not trying to fight you, Toffanin. I just figured if someone else finds enough merit in an article's deletion to contribute to the AfD discussion and vote (which I know is not a tally), they're essentially volunteering to take on the burden of proof and we could treat the nom as such.
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