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Festival or the "Golden Wolf" outside the Knowledge (XXG) entries pertaining to films that are alleged to have one it, and websites pertaining to Yuri Gadyukin. You will notice that all these websites have clearly been produced by the same source. Any websites that do refer to the Festival, I found one on Polanski's Knife in the Water, have, I imagine, received this information from the Knowledge (XXG) page. If you check any written work on the films of Roman Polanski, you will find no mention of either the Bucharest Film Festival or the Golden Wolf that Knowledge (XXG) claims it was awarded. An example of the further spreading of misinformation that I previously mentioned.
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The Bucharest Film Festival never existed. It is a fictitious invention intended to lend credence to the creation of the fictitious Soviet flimmaker Yuri Gadyukin who also has a Knowledge (XXG) entry. While I did not feel obliged to edit a fictional character that someone had spent a lot of time
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The films cited as winning awards did not receive them. It is not defunct, it is fictitious. I spend a lot of time in Romania and there is no mention of the "Bucharest Film Festival" in the Romanian National archives. You can easily double check this as you will find few mentions of either the
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creating; I do feel it inappropriate to invent a Festival and award ceremony that trades off the success of other films to establish verisimilitude. Furthermore, this fictitious article has already led to the spreading of misinformation. I feel very strongly that this is a bad thing.
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a hoax. However, neither of these two REAL modern festivals appear to have a traceable relationship to the allegedly historical "Bukareลto Festivalo de Socialisto-Filmo". And there is also the issue of showing any sort of actual (posthumus) connection between the deceased
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Additionally, if you check the "References" on either the Bucharest Film Festival page or the Gadyukin page you will see that all are authentic sources, but that none contain any reference to either a Bucharest Film Festival, a Golden Wolf, or one Yuri
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stating that this article was a work of fiction. With the permission of the original emailer, who wrote a very detailed rationale, I am publishing the following excerpts of said email for the consideration of the
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A fine response. We can always delete articles found to be inaccurate, false, or hoaxy... without leaving an negative onus toward recreation of properly sourced articles about notable topics. If someone
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to write a proper article about the modern film festivals in Bucharest, THEY should not be speedied as recreations of a deleted hoax article unless they actually are.
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Ultimately, I'd ask the closer of this debate to courtesy-blank the discussion given some of the content in the original statement relates negatively back on a
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as a hoax. Indeed, links which can be check do not exist or do not give any info. For example, a book published in Romania in 1970 just can not have a ISBN.--
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No problem with creating articles about the real festivals MQS mentions, but we do not want this fictitious nonsense in the history, so it's a case of
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Sorberg is probably also a character in the indie film. He is credited with imdb entries around the hoax, e.g.,
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The specified ISBN (973-98439-1-3) seems to belong to a second edition of that book, published in 1998 (see
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Michael, I don't know anything about these other festivals, am not weighing in on them.--
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Since I taken in by the hoax (facepalm) I did some digging. The article was created by
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are also non-existant, or that articles on those entities are not possible?
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a hoax as an organization, despite errors in current article's content, The
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Yes, this one has issues, but are you also asserting that the
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BIEFF Bucharest International Experimetal Film Festival
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BIEFF Bucharest International Experimetal Film Festival
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No further edits should be made to this page. 8: 644:FESTIVALUL INTERNATIONAL DE FILM "BUCURESTI" 601:without prejudice toward a proper recreation 570:FESTIVALUL INTERNATIONAL DE FILM "BUCURESTI" 303:Note: This debate has been included in the 283:Note: This debate has been included in the 265:list of Romania-related deletion discussions 263:Note: This debate has been included in the 305:list of Events-related deletion discussions 302: 282: 262: 285:list of Film-related deletion discussions 589:and festivals created after his death. 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 624:Yuri is an obvious hoax, btw, see 24: 596:based upon available sources, or 196:We recently received an email to 781:Where the Tractors Roam (imdb) 681:See response below to JohnCD. 1: 809:WP:Blow it up and start over 725:) and was also worked on by 759:, to complete the picture-- 755:And now check George Lewis 594:correct issues and re-focus 883: 62:07:44, 12 March 2013 (UTC) 843:19:50, 6 March 2013 (UTC) 821:15:57, 6 March 2013 (UTC) 796:14:06, 6 March 2013 (UTC) 769:07:08, 6 March 2013 (UTC) 751:07:00, 6 March 2013 (UTC) 694:19:50, 6 March 2013 (UTC) 677:13:53, 6 March 2013 (UTC) 663:09:46, 6 March 2013 (UTC) 638:06:24, 6 March 2013 (UTC) 616:02:20, 6 March 2013 (UTC) 361:17:34, 5 March 2013 (UTC) 337:16:22, 5 March 2013 (UTC) 317:15:28, 5 March 2013 (UTC) 297:15:28, 5 March 2013 (UTC) 277:15:28, 5 March 2013 (UTC) 256:13:31, 5 March 2013 (UTC) 238:12:14, 5 March 2013 (UTC) 855:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 76:Bucharest Film Festival 68:Bucharest Film Festival 218: 628:. 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