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being deleted at AfD then it should be salted, but not as a pre-emptive measure. I can plausibly see a new/uninvolved editor creating an article with this title using sources that no one has found yet (perhaps in
Chinese or Burmese, as Mccapra says); ideally such an editor should be able to create such an article without any difficulties.
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I marked two of the three sources in the article (these are separate form
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Note that I'd oppose salting this at the moment. This page has not been repeatedly recreated (since it's not yet been deleted); rather, there has been an edit war concerning the redirection or not of the page, resulting in the article being taken to AfD. If this page is repeatedly recreated after
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Titles of the form "Ruritanian
Lilliputian" are inherently ambiguous. In America such things as "Indian American" are about people of Indian descent living in America, but in Britain (and I think in most of the world, although I stand to be corrected) the equivalent is called "British Indian".
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