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733:: I note that the article describes Burrough as one of the earliest HIV+ authors in Australia to come out publicly about HIV status. That might make him notable in itself — the cultural history of the Early AIDS Crisis is a particularly under-served area on enwiki — so it would be useful if we (all) could spend a little time looking for relevant sources on that basis too. Having not yet done so, I'm not 253:
that Burrough's own writing is not primary). The best is a capsule review in the Sydney morning Herald but that's not enough. Claim of "bestselling" is for local listing for a niche market only. Not a national open one. Worldcat shows a highest holdings of 8 libraries. Search of NewsBank and Trove came up with nothing better. Last afd
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As for the earlier AfD, a no-consensus close can be appropriately followed by another afd without much delay--it is good practice to wait at least a few weeks instead of doing it immediate in order to avoid another no-consensus close. I don't see that as a problem, especially because we do seem to be approaching consensus now.
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fall the way the proposer wanted feels like sour grapes and not the best use of editors' time, frankly. If there was no consensus to delete after trying to attract editors to the discussion last time, trying again until you get the desired roll of the dice doesn't feel like the kind of good faith we are meant to assume. —
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This is a very highly promotional biography, and could be deleted on that basis regardless of notability. It's advertising for the books, and advocacy for the individual's causes. See especially the Early life section) If he is considered notable, it's indeed a case forTNT, as suggested just above.
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That said, seeing the article relisted on AfD shortly after a deletion discussion that was relisted twice and mentioned on 3 different deletion lists yet still only managed to get 4 users to care enough and 2 votes, suggests there is no consensus to delete. Relisting it because the consensus didn't
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I read just fine, and clicking on the link for the book that is in the article, then copying and pasting "Burrough" into the search box reports "no results". Searching in the book for other authors seems to work. If the link is broken, please provide an alternative here. Meanwhile, I recommend
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author. Lacks coverage about him in independent reliable sources. There is a lot of sources here but none that are independent reliable sources that give him any real depth of coverage. There is a lot of primary sources that verify the existence of works. (note that the author of this page claims
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suggests waiting 2 months after a no consensus outcome, with the suggestion a bit less urgent when the AfD failed mainly due to lack of participation (as it did here). It's only been about 1 month. However, the article and possible COI of its originator have been under discussion at
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Google Books usually allows you to search also in the parts that it won't show you in preview (but will show only snippet results). Or are you saying that their scan is cut off before the end of the book? Given how marginal any notability seems to be (and in light of
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For the benefit of other users participating in this discussion, could you point us in the right direction, please? I checked the "What links here?" for both users but nothing jumped out at me. Thanks! —
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I have searched but can find no mention of Burrough being one of the first to come out publicly about his HIV status, except for his Knowledge article anybody else found anything?
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Illogical afd idea when this article’s earlier afd tag (22 August) was only just removed 3 weeks ago on 13 September due to no consensus (see
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Maybe the reason a google book search comes up empty is that pages 31+ are omitted from the book preview? Page 30 ends at Be. Short of Bu.
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It reads like something from the publisher's marketing department, I have trimmed back some of the unsourced name dropping.
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Allow independent creation of the article which would address the issues raised by nom. But delete for now.
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are currently pending results of complaints re this topic, neither are eligible to comment. —
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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and therefore fails. However, I am free to change my opinion if I somehow missed anything.
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On the procedural note, I agree it's a little soon after the last AfD --
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Rogue elements!!!! Please link to the complaint, I can't see one?
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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situation), I'm uncertain whether it makes so much difference.
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to me, and the article is anyway in poor enough shape for
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but this is not enough for a wikiartlicle on the author.
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I'm not your mother, find link yourself (it's out there)
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closed as no consensus largely due to low participation.
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Not remotely "promotional" - subject is a national icon
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