Knowledge (XXG)

:Articles for deletion/Gouken - Knowledge (XXG)

Source πŸ“

658:: While the reception section is admittedly poor (at least in its current state), that's a pretty impressive development section. Also, keep in mind that Gouken, much like Akuma before him, as born out of the whole Sheng Long urban legend, giving a good source for notability. Gouken is also discussed 591:
Gameplay usually is important for notablity if there's exceptional discussion about it (think like say Rugal's insane difficulty, or a character having a signature move that's memed heavily, stuff like that). How would those move analysis help a reader understand Gouken's signfigance outside of being
434:
Given that it became a GA in 2009, it was literally right as Gouken was released to the public. Up until that point, the character had always been Sheng Long, so there was some confusion. However, there is direct proof that Gouken IS meant to be Sheng Long, according to the devs, so there seems to be
743:
Because by Street Fighter III, Gouken was established as a character, and the joke of Sheng Long being Ryu's master doesn't work the same. Gouken was established thanks to the Street Fighter II: Ryu manga, and appears in concept art and even Akuma's ending for Street Fight Alpha, well before Ono had
576:
A character's gameplay can be relevant as long as there's actual analysis of it. Simply listing out moves they can do is not SIGCOV. However, going indepth as to what moves are good and in what situations can potentially be SIGCOV. In GameSpot's case, it has analysis such as "he'll quickly become a
561:
into the character list. This is going to be a change of pace for me, but while the sources above are good they're primarily about his gameplay, and not discussing his design or character which is what's more needed for a standalone article. The play article is significant, but primarily discussing
463:
The article literally says "Ono later confirmed in an interview with Play magazine that Gouken's inclusion in the title was fan service in response to fans requesting Sheng Long's presence in the game". Not sure how much more direct it has to be. I wouldn't mind trying to get Gouken to Good Article
706:
To be sure I think coverage is pretty slim, but Gouken has two articles entirely about his moves and how good they are, which is more than can be said about other characters. I also think that the PLAY Magazine article can be used to reliably argue that Sheng Long should be merged into Gouken per
606:
I would point you to the PLAY Magazine article, which states that fan demand for "Sheng Long" was so strong he was made into a real character by developers, an unusual example of fans influencing a developer to change their own game. (But since you don't believe Sheng Long and Gouken are that
478:
That's specifically about his inclusion in Street Fighter IV however. Gouken was created well before that and his name even comes from a separate publication. Akuma has more direct correlation with the rumor. Trying to squeeze Gouken in there when the character was inspired by multiple sources
744:
any bearing on the series' direction. Outside of his inclusion in Street Fighter IV, the EGM Sheng Long joke has no bearing on Gouken's development, and far more on Akuma's development, which was in direct response to the rumor running rampant. This idea makes no sense, Zxcvbnm.--
610:
Yes, Gouken existed as a separate character from Sheng Long, but the decision to put him in the game with that design was undeniably based on the EGM hoax - as stated in reliable sources. A separate PLAY interview states Gouken was added as "fanservice" for Sheng Long.
577:
fan fave thanks to his strong offensive skills (particularly the ability to send angled hadokens, which makes him a tough opponent to approach via the air)." Which is more than just "Gouken will be fun to play, maybe, possibly, well it seems cool, sayonara"!
329:
He's certainly in good company in the Play article, but the other two are primarily about his gameplay and don't go in-depth about the character itself. Is gameplay coverage part of VG SIGCOV guidelines? Too much and it starts veering into
633:, down to the name. I get wanting to keep an article, but even with this your idea falls apart because notability isn't inherited. You'd be better off trying to find sources to keep Gouken afloat on its own accord.-- 211: 449:
Being completely honest I think that would be a terrible idea, as that'd probably lead to some confusion, especially given Sheng Long almost ended up a character himself in that SF movie game.--
279: 493:
Sheng Long should definitely remain a standalone article as he's far more notable. If we're talking about merging, Gouken should probably be merged into SL instead of the other way around.
283: 302: 168: 533:
Sources presented above might be useful for the character's notability. Unfortunately, the article right now is in bad shape. Very unlikely someone will improve it.
848:
I went and found an MA thesis that talks about the back story a bit, people will really write a thesis about anything I guess. As it stands now the article passes
418:
Interesting idea. Given that article is a GA, it could be a bit controversial for other editors to propose merging it. But I would support a merge if initiated.
205: 100: 115: 275: 711:, as "two or more pages on related subjects that have a large overlap and might be WP:REDUNDANT", which would make him notable beyond a doubt. 659: 95: 88: 17: 247: 404:
into the article as a section. Given that Gouken is essentially the official version of Sheng Long, it seems possibly redundant.
831:- Don't really have much to add, but looking through the sources, I also agree that the sources provided prove he passes WP:GNG. 630: 310: 666:
seems discuss him some too. The sources shown here shows that he has enough for a small, but notable, article, which is the
246:
guidelines with poor reception section that's either about his gameplay or, you guessed it, the usual listicles. Merge with
109: 105: 726: 806: 684:
The thesis, while a good read, mentions Gouken all of three times in passing in a 162-page document. That won’t do it.
877: 40: 172: 313:, which, while not containing opinions for the most part, I'd say wraps up the GNG issue due to the sizable mention. 226: 836: 193: 141: 136: 145: 66: 626: 791: 377: 128: 331: 873: 832: 749: 638: 597: 567: 549: 484: 454: 425: 391: 363: 187: 36: 301:
This one is overstepping I'm afraid, I believe it has SIGCOV. Even in the article itself, there are a
708: 607:
closely linked, per below, I predict I would have a difficult time convincing you that is relevant).
306: 219: 183: 63: 243: 787: 697: 506: 464:
to make up for Sheng Long losing its GA status, assuming the article is kept and merge happens.
347: 309:, both with critical opinions about Gouken as a character. He also is mentioned in PLAY magazine 263: 860: 840: 819: 795: 778: 753: 738: 720: 701: 679: 642: 620: 601: 586: 571: 553: 510: 488: 473: 458: 444: 429: 413: 395: 367: 351: 322: 292: 267: 70: 734: 716: 675: 616: 582: 469: 440: 409: 318: 233: 84: 29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
872:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
667: 58: 35:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
745: 634: 593: 563: 543: 539: 480: 450: 419: 385: 357: 849: 562:
the Sheng Long April Fool's joke there. I don't think this one has notability on his own.--
356:
I thought the gameplay coverage could help notability, I was wrong lol. "Changed my vote".
53: 816: 774: 854: 287: 685: 494: 335: 251: 199: 730: 712: 671: 629:, which itself was based off Ryu's mentor in the Street Fighter II: Ryu manga seen 612: 578: 465: 436: 405: 314: 162: 625:
Zxcvbnm, there is literally concept art of Gouken for Street Fighter Alpha, seen
132: 52:β€Ž. Participants formed consensus that the citations allowed the subject to pass 770: 401: 381: 663: 124: 76: 868:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
809:
to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
769:
per significant coverage demonstrated by other editors.
158: 154: 150: 218: 729:, which uses Gouken and Sheng Long interchangeably. 815:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 232: 376:I guess Gouken could be just barely notable like 43:). No further edits should be made to this page. 880:). No further edits should be made to this page. 786:. Adequate citations seem to have been found. - 274:Note: This discussion has been included in the 8: 662:, and while I can't access the whole thing, 116:Help, my article got nominated for deletion! 273: 400:It also may be a possibility to merge 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 435:no reason to keep them separate. 24: 248:List of Street Fighter characters 727:April Fools page from EGM itself 592:a Street Fighter IV character?-- 278:lists for the following topics: 101:Introduction to deletion process 56:. No users !voted keep either. 1: 91:(AfD)? Read these primers! 64:π‘°π’π’π’–π’”π’Šπ’π’ π‘­π’π’‚π’Žπ’† 897: 779:18:21, 28 April 2023 (UTC) 754:03:08, 28 April 2023 (UTC) 739:02:35, 28 April 2023 (UTC) 721:02:31, 28 April 2023 (UTC) 702:01:34, 28 April 2023 (UTC) 680:21:14, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 643:04:10, 28 April 2023 (UTC) 621:03:49, 28 April 2023 (UTC) 602:02:35, 28 April 2023 (UTC) 587:00:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC) 572:14:10, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 554:11:57, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 511:17:52, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 489:17:37, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 474:14:05, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 459:13:45, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 445:13:37, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 430:10:37, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 414:10:03, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 396:10:00, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 368:18:40, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 352:17:47, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 323:09:44, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 293:07:28, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 268:04:21, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 542:source analysis on Play. 870:Please do not modify it. 861:05:49, 13 May 2023 (UTC) 71:11:08, 13 May 2023 (UTC) 32:Please do not modify it. 841:23:55, 8 May 2023 (UTC) 820:15:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC) 796:11:29, 1 May 2023 (UTC) 378:Balrog (Street Fighter) 173:edits since nomination 479:doesn't make sense.-- 89:Articles for deletion 670:notability exists. 59:(non-admin closure) 280:Fictional elements 822: 725:There's also the 699: 508: 349: 295: 265: 106:Guide to deletion 96:How to contribute 61: 888: 857: 833:PantheonRadiance 814: 812: 810: 698: 695: 690: 546: 507: 504: 499: 422: 388: 360: 348: 345: 340: 303:Gamespot article 290: 276:deletion sorting 264: 261: 256: 237: 236: 222: 166: 148: 86: 57: 34: 896: 895: 891: 890: 889: 887: 886: 885: 884: 878:deletion review 855: 805: 803: 691: 686: 544: 500: 495: 420: 386: 358: 341: 336: 288: 257: 252: 179: 139: 123: 120: 83: 80: 48:The result was 41:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 894: 892: 883: 882: 864: 863: 843: 825: 824: 813: 799: 798: 781: 764: 763: 762: 761: 760: 759: 758: 757: 756: 653: 652: 651: 650: 649: 648: 647: 646: 645: 608: 556: 527: 526: 525: 524: 523: 522: 521: 520: 519: 518: 517: 516: 515: 514: 513: 491: 374: 373: 372: 371: 370: 296: 240: 239: 176: 119: 118: 113: 103: 98: 81: 79: 74: 46: 45: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 893: 881: 879: 875: 871: 866: 865: 862: 859: 858: 851: 847: 844: 842: 838: 834: 830: 827: 826: 823: 821: 818: 811: 808: 801: 800: 797: 793: 789: 788:Cukie Gherkin 785: 782: 780: 776: 772: 768: 765: 755: 751: 747: 742: 741: 740: 736: 732: 728: 724: 723: 722: 718: 714: 710: 705: 704: 703: 700: 696: 694: 689: 683: 682: 681: 677: 673: 669: 665: 661: 657: 654: 644: 640: 636: 632: 628: 624: 623: 622: 618: 614: 609: 605: 604: 603: 599: 595: 590: 589: 588: 584: 580: 575: 574: 573: 569: 565: 560: 557: 555: 551: 547: 541: 537: 534: 532: 528: 512: 509: 505: 503: 498: 492: 490: 486: 482: 477: 476: 475: 471: 467: 462: 461: 460: 456: 452: 448: 447: 446: 442: 438: 433: 432: 431: 427: 423: 417: 416: 415: 411: 407: 403: 399: 398: 397: 393: 389: 383: 379: 375: 369: 365: 361: 355: 354: 353: 350: 346: 344: 339: 333: 328: 327: 326: 325: 324: 320: 316: 312: 308: 304: 300: 297: 294: 291: 285: 281: 277: 272: 271: 270: 269: 266: 262: 260: 255: 249: 245: 242:Doesn't meet 235: 231: 228: 225: 221: 217: 213: 210: 207: 204: 201: 198: 195: 192: 189: 185: 182: 181:Find sources: 177: 174: 170: 164: 160: 156: 152: 147: 143: 138: 134: 130: 126: 122: 121: 117: 114: 111: 107: 104: 102: 99: 97: 94: 93: 92: 90: 85: 78: 75: 73: 72: 68: 65: 60: 55: 51: 44: 42: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 869: 867: 853: 845: 828: 804: 802: 783: 766: 692: 687: 655: 558: 535: 530: 529: 501: 496: 342: 337: 332:WP:GAMEGUIDE 298: 258: 253: 241: 229: 223: 215: 208: 202: 196: 190: 180: 82: 49: 47: 31: 28: 746:Kung Fu Man 668:main reason 635:Kung Fu Man 594:Kung Fu Man 564:Kung Fu Man 545:GlatorNator 540:Kung Fu Man 481:Kung Fu Man 451:Kung Fu Man 421:GlatorNator 387:GlatorNator 359:GlatorNator 334:territory. 307:IGN article 284:Video games 206:free images 817:Guerillero 709:WP:OVERLAP 402:Sheng Long 67:(π’•π’‚π’π’Œ) 874:talk page 856:Dr vulpes 531:Weak Keep 299:Weak keep 289:Spiderone 244:WP:SIGCOV 37:talk page 876:or in a 807:Relisted 382:Fei Long 169:View log 110:glossary 39:or in a 731:α΄’xᴄᴠʙɴᴍ 713:α΄’xᴄᴠʙɴᴍ 672:MoonJet 613:α΄’xᴄᴠʙɴᴍ 579:α΄’xᴄᴠʙɴᴍ 466:α΄’xᴄᴠʙɴᴍ 437:α΄’xᴄᴠʙɴᴍ 406:α΄’xᴄᴠʙɴᴍ 315:α΄’xᴄᴠʙɴᴍ 212:WPΒ refs 200:scholar 142:protect 137:history 87:New to 850:WP:GNG 184:Google 146:delete 125:Gouken 77:Gouken 54:WP:GNG 771:Merko 688:sixty 559:Merge 536:Merge 497:sixty 338:sixty 254:sixty 227:JSTOR 188:books 163:views 155:watch 151:links 16:< 846:Keep 837:talk 829:Keep 792:talk 784:Keep 775:talk 767:Keep 750:talk 693:nine 676:talk 664:this 660:here 656:Keep 639:talk 631:here 627:here 598:talk 568:talk 538:Per 502:nine 485:talk 455:talk 380:and 343:nine 311:here 305:and 282:and 259:nine 220:FENS 194:news 159:logs 133:talk 129:edit 62:- πŸ”₯ 50:keep 234:TWL 167:– ( 69:πŸ”₯ 852:. 839:) 794:) 777:) 752:) 737:) 719:) 678:) 641:) 619:) 600:) 585:) 570:) 552:) 487:) 472:) 457:) 443:) 428:) 412:) 394:) 384:. 366:) 321:) 286:. 250:. 214:) 171:| 161:| 157:| 153:| 149:| 144:| 140:| 135:| 131:| 835:( 790:( 773:( 748:( 735:α΄› 733:( 717:α΄› 715:( 674:( 637:( 617:α΄› 615:( 596:( 583:α΄› 581:( 566:( 550:α΄› 548:( 483:( 470:α΄› 468:( 453:( 441:α΄› 439:( 426:α΄› 424:( 410:α΄› 408:( 392:α΄› 390:( 364:α΄› 362:( 319:α΄› 317:( 238:) 230:Β· 224:Β· 216:Β· 209:Β· 203:Β· 197:Β· 191:Β· 186:( 178:( 175:) 165:) 127:( 112:) 108:(

Index

Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
talk page
deletion review
WP:GNG
(non-admin closure)
π‘°π’π’π’–π’”π’Šπ’π’ π‘­π’π’‚π’Žπ’†
(π’•π’‚π’π’Œ)
11:08, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Gouken

Articles for deletion
How to contribute
Introduction to deletion process
Guide to deletion
glossary
Help, my article got nominated for deletion!
Gouken
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
edits since nomination
Google
books

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.

↑