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accessible from the web). If you can find even a single good source discussing the subject (that brings up - actually discusses, mind you, not merely mentions - at least two of her roles), you should easily be able to argue she meets GNG/BIO/ENT. In-depth interviews, retrospectives, even other actors discussing the subject's contributions to cinema. Anything with substance. The age of these sources does not matter. Conversely, we are having this AfD because if noone among us can find any such source, and remember, the search didn't start yesterday, but in 2020 when the article was tagged, that is a clear indicator she simply is not notable (per Knowledge (XXG)'s definition). Since you are the article creator, it's important to add that should your work be deleted that is not meant as personal criticism. It simply means the article meets one of our reasons for deletion (
921:: A contributor who's enthusiastic about a subject, such as a fan of an actor, and acts accordingly in Knowledge (XXG), is not acting with "improper motives". Let's reserve such potential motives for editors who balance editorial duty with getting paid for their work, who promote here political ideologies, or who overpreach their nations' glories. I do not assign any kind of improrpiety to any of the editors who I see here suggesting the oposite of what I suggest or to those who've contributed to the text I'm suggesting should be taken down. Enthusiasm and fandom can sometimes mislead us but they're not perforce "improper" sentiments. - 846:#1 by virtue of significant roles in multiple, notable films and TV shows. I don't find the denigration of the roles in highly notable films and TV shows or the denigration of other films as non-notable very convincing, and I am truly puzzled by the ascribing of improper motives to those editors who oppose deletion. In any event, I've added three additional sources. 903:
Is this a case where an actor is sufficiently notable for a single film? Honestly, I don't know. I'd be inclined to support inclusion if there were sources that had significant coverage of her; as is we have a handful of passing mentions of her in routine coverage. The mentions in Made Men, Women and
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OK, this now is clutching at straws. For a start, bringing up the fact that she had a role in some film whose "cast was otherwise made up of men" is neither here nor there. There is nothing significant about that, unless we were doing some analysis from a feminist perspective - which would be welcome
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in detail and the most we have is that she played the part "with real humanity". Verbiage such as the claim in the article where it is claimed "delivered a performance praised for its passionate and realistic delivery" has no legs to stand on, i.e. no sources amounting to such arating. These are
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I just performed the minimal search (step D of AFD) and found nothing new since 2015. The few sources used by the article are basically useless, briefly mentioning the subject by name while discussing other things. In my opinion not a single one establishes notability, just like the cleanup tag
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No, that's not how Knowledge (XXG) notability requirements work. One imprecise way of saying it is: if an actress is notable it is easy to find reputable sources discussing her and her career (unless perhaps we're talking early 1900s cinema where sources are more likely to be books not always
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She doesn't pass. She has had a few "significant" roles, however they aren't in notable films (eg space avenger). Otherwise, her roles have been minor. I agree, her only notable role was in Goodfellas, and that's not enough to warrant an article either with
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supposedly getting some time in the future their own Knowledge (XXG) article, and thus justifying the claim about Mastrogiacomo having taken part in "multiple" notable films, that's just pure and unacceptable
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I have no idea what's behind the effort, which is otherwise admirable for its tenacity, to insert an article about a rather obscure actress in Knowledge (XXG) but the reality is
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Mixed Race Representation in Film, and Understanding Tracy Letts are all brief—in each case, less than a paragraph, not really significant for establishing notability.
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but it's not what we're here for. Then, you resort to linguistic twisters in order to upgrade and magnify Mastrogiacomo's contributions. There is nothing about a "
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notable films or TV shows? And, more importantly, where are her significant performances? I offer some forensics that cut through the unreasonable hype:
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we read that Liotta's characters "ogles women — his mistresses, Janice (Gina Mastrogiacomo) and Sandy (Debi Mazar)". That's all. And (e) in the
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is significant as a mid sized supporting role in an important film. I would count all three of these as significant parts; enough to pass
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I disagree with The Gnome on two important points: her role in Goodfellas appears to be significant and covered by reliable sources, and
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Still, deleting an article on an actress with an arguably recognizable name doesn't strike me as uncontroversial, so here we are.
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is relevant, but reviews are generally reliable for the purposes of establishing notability). I'm still not convinced she meets
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There are multiple, reliable sources on the subject, including extensive, in-depth analysis and commentary on her performances.
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is not relevant here at all (that covers original research occuring on Knowledge (XXG), and isn't about source reliability;
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When one wants to look up obscure artists, Knowledge (XXG) should not be one's first choice. Knowledge (XXG) is an
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I don't know what you expect to find -- new articles written about a dead actress? Granted, she's not famous like
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significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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suggests. The article has already been through AFD in 2015, and the result was delete.
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but personal predilections mean nothing in these matters. Knowledge (XXG) is neither a
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since subject quite evidently does not meet the requirements set down by either
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given the improvements which have made to the article. I'm not so sure about
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criterion #1, which was invoked above, states that the subject must've had
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assessed as "mid-sized". Above, I went through the related sources on
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for someone to be notable without meeting criteria (see for instance
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simply identifies Mastrogiacomo in a photo caption. (b) Another CNN
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we're informed she played her role "with real humanity". (d) In
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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does not mention Mastrogiacomo at all. (c) From the
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