896:, while it would benefit from a major cleanup, this company (when active) was a significant operator in the Liverpool and wider Merseyside region (itself not a small area) and the 2nd largest operator at the time. It was not a bit-player or a small fish in a big pond, despite not being in existence for that long. The company went defunct 15-16 years ago which makes online sources scarcer. I split it off from its successor
313:. Per nom. The sources listed e.g. Commercial Motor have many articles covering transport companies, nearly all of these companies are usually non-notable. Likewise, local newspapers have articles covering local businesses, again these businesses are usually non-notable. Having the local newspaper or trade magazine mentioning a business does not make that business notable. --
52:. There is no consensus regarding the regional-ness (?) of one of the key sources, and also no consensus regarding the deletion of the article based off this. If the NCORP discussion reaches a clear resolution that the LE is not an appropriate source for demonstrating notability, this close is obviously not prejudicing a re-nomination.
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I disagree. Far from having "nothing to do with with
Glanvale", the previous companies' notability enhances the notability of the company who acquired, consolidated and expanded the same service. See below for sources concerning this service from 2001 to 2005 under the name "Glenvale Transport".
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Knowledge relies on off-wiki reliable sources over user-generated content. The best way to show that the
Liverpool Echo counts as a regional newspaper is to show that it's considered a "regional newspaper" per RS. For the Liverpool Echo, it definitely is. It's even winning Regional Press awards
562:. While it might look like it has only two sentence, it's exclusively on-topic, and the layout suggests a video was present on the page. It was likely presenting a news story on its demise. This video is no more accessible since Flash player was discontinued.
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sources present in the article alone demonstrate the company's notability. About the verifiability issue, the unsourced statement present in the article can probably all be checked and sourced by someone with access to the archives of the
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This former topic is notable; when you search "Glenvale
Transport" in google books, you get sources that delve exclusively on this topic, mentioning the company only in passing. As such, simply renaming and rescoping this article to
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is so stringent because of the need to counter PR pages and advertisement. This page does not have this issue, as the company is defunct. Read the article closer and you'll find the article was split from the main
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