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Slovenia. Serbia and Southern Serbia (Macedonia and Kosovo) would be parts of Greater Serbia in the east and southeast. Bulgarian cities of Vidin and Custendil were to be annexed to it. Its southern territories would comprise Montenegro, Herzegovina and northern Albania. In the west, it would include Bosnia, western Dalmatia, Serb-inhabited parts of Lika, Kordun and Banija and a part of Slavonia. The Dalmatian coast from Sibenik to Montenegro would belong to Serbia too.
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Where do you see the notability of the concept? I see it mentioned as "discussion of a greater
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But you have not demonstrated a single clear example of significant coverage of this concept in any particular book - surely if you believe there's a multitude, one or two can be cited as a trivial example. As it is now, for all we know, they could all be talking about it in a tangential manner, and
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the same concept, it's just talking about SFRY. The fourth and fifth hit say "Tito's old dream of a greater
Yugoslavia". That's the same concept, but it's both used as a phrase and in reference to a dream. A concept is not automagically encyclopedically notable by being mentioned in passing by a lot
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Please... you're really not this dense. My argument clearly is not that "it can be googled", but that a large number of reliable sources discuss this topic. Differentiating between a Google search that lists the reliable sources and copy/pasting those same sources here is pedantic. If you think all
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is that true notion. For example, the only way a unifying ideology can exist is if there is interest (albeit small numbers) from every party purported to be affected. We all know there are loyal
Yugoslavs in the six former republics but what about Bulgaria? I have never encountered a Bulgarian to
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According to Tomic, the Ravna Gora movement advocated the idea of ‘a
Greater Serbia within Greater Yugoslavia’. Greater Yugoslavia would comprise parts of Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Austria, Italy and Albania and would be a federal state. It would comprise a Greater Serbia, a rump Croatia and a
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Croatian Knowledge (XXG), it was writen by me, more correctly, translated by me. I wasn't considering it's notability. I wanted to nominate this article for deletation there month ago, but I was banned. Just don't take Croatian article "Velika Jugoslavia" in consideretion while
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I've found using a simple Google search are dubious, forgeries or otherwise unreliable, please explain. Otherwise, I've provided reliable sources and now it's up to the deletionists to explain why the sources aren't acceptable. Debunking one of them doesn't wipe the lot. The definition of
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and I fear the original editor may have crossed wires. The ideas behind a Balkan federation was precisely that each unit functioned autonomously with a central administration holding ceremonial status.
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That would probably be fine and allow that article to expand as well. If we don't have enough for a stand alone article we certainly have enough for a section in that article on
Greater Yugoslavia.
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The article title does exist as a notable concept in the real world - see the books link above which contain many references to it as a larger
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if this is closed as delete can you please userfy the article to my userspace so I can rework it into the Balkan
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Please remember that to prove a topic notable sources must exist, not necessarily be present in the article (although that does help). AFD is not for cleanup.
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