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Greater Slovenia. Serbia and Southern Serbia (Macedonia and Kosovo) would be parts of Greater Serbia in the east and southeast. Bulgarian cities of Vidin and Custendil were to be annexed to it. Its southern territories would comprise Montenegro, Herzegovina and northern Albania. In the west, it would include Bosnia, western Dalmatia, Serb-inhabited parts of Lika, Kordun and Banija and a part of Slavonia. The Dalmatian coast from Sibenik to Montenegro would belong to Serbia too.
575:, which is a separate topic. The 1987 Toronto Star article seems specifically about this since it talks about it in the preface, but that one is actually marked as "Section: LETTER". Doesn't that mean that it was actually a reader's letter? Besides, since we're dealing with history here, I think a reasonable standard of 549: 280:
Where do you see the notability of the concept? I see it mentioned as "discussion of a greater Yugoslavia" in the first hit, but it's "1991, Croatia and Slovenia seceded from the greater Yugoslavia" and "1990, the Slovene people voted in a plebiscite to separate from greater Yugoslavia" in the second
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But you have not demonstrated a single clear example of significant coverage of this concept in any particular book - surely if you believe there's a multitude, one or two can be cited as a trivial example. As it is now, for all we know, they could all be talking about it in a tangential manner, and
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the same concept, it's just talking about SFRY. The fourth and fifth hit say "Tito's old dream of a greater Yugoslavia". That's the same concept, but it's both used as a phrase and in reference to a dream. A concept is not automagically encyclopedically notable by being mentioned in passing by a lot
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Please... you're really not this dense. My argument clearly is not that "it can be googled", but that a large number of reliable sources discuss this topic. Differentiating between a Google search that lists the reliable sources and copy/pasting those same sources here is pedantic. If you think all
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is that true notion. For example, the only way a unifying ideology can exist is if there is interest (albeit small numbers) from every party purported to be affected. We all know there are loyal Yugoslavs in the six former republics but what about Bulgaria? I have never encountered a Bulgarian to
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According to Tomic, the Ravna Gora movement advocated the idea of ‘a Greater Serbia within Greater Yugoslavia’. Greater Yugoslavia would comprise parts of Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Austria, Italy and Albania and would be a federal state. It would comprise a Greater Serbia, a rump Croatia and a
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About article at Croatian Knowledge (XXG), it was writen by me, more correctly, translated by me. I wasn't considering it's notability. I wanted to nominate this article for deletation there month ago, but I was banned. Just don't take Croatian article "Velika Jugoslavia" in consideretion while
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I've found using a simple Google search are dubious, forgeries or otherwise unreliable, please explain. Otherwise, I've provided reliable sources and now it's up to the deletionists to explain why the sources aren't acceptable. Debunking one of them doesn't wipe the lot. The definition of
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This article should be deleted since there is no serious literature (or any literature) that deals with this subject. Such concept doesn't exist, it is made up by creator of this article. Map is also false. This article serves to the purpose of ridiculing Knowledge (XXG).
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You've only posted generic google searches that are already linked above and one of which is also debunked above. The threshold of notability certainly isn't "it can be googled" - that's even worse than
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and I fear the original editor may have crossed wires. The ideas behind a Balkan federation was precisely that each unit functioned autonomously with a central administration holding ceremonial status.
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That would probably be fine and allow that article to expand as well. If we don't have enough for a stand alone article we certainly have enough for a section in that article on Greater Yugoslavia.
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The article title does exist as a notable concept in the real world - see the books link above which contain many references to it as a larger Yugoslavia incorporating Albania and Bulgaria.
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I clicked through all of them, and they all seem somewhat tangential - for example the university professor's testimony at the ICTY is good, but it's primarily about
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if this is closed as delete can you please userfy the article to my userspace so I can rework it into the Balkan Federation article with the references found?
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Please remember that to prove a topic notable sources must exist, not necessarily be present in the article (although that does help). AFD is not for cleanup.
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If you do that, then cite the books you have found - or some of them if there are too many. The best course of action to take then will be not to delete
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from the said field, rather than news talk. By this measure, we could have separate articles about a lot of ideas discussed in politics daily. --
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of people - secondary sources discussing the specific dream are necessary to demonstrate its standalone notability. --
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cover everything? Can it not be added that this was also an irredentist goal for Greater Yugoslav proponents?
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per se. The actual concept which aimed to unify Bulgaria and Yugoslavia alongside other states was the
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and properly source. It's a notable concept and one with history behind it, but it does need sourcing.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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is notable, every editor on Yugoslav-related topics knows that. But the question is whether
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is coverage in multiple, reliable, third-party sources, and I've provided a multitude.
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Google finds about 876 books mentioning Greater Yugoslavia in different context. --
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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most of them could be using the phrase in a generic manner. --
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declined by author without any explanation and in a minor edit
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Google finds about 876 books discussing Greater Yugoslavia.
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concept in the real world; at best, merge the late 1940s
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which is something if not anything from the other side.
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