1680:: I've also changed my !vote (mine changed from "neutral" to "keep"). I've learned a lot about the topic since the AfD started. My initial comment was one of the earliest, but with the considerable added information I now believe that the article should at least be kept for a while so editors can work on sourcing the information. Information that is not sourced will have to be removed, but some of the information in the article can certainly be sourced, so it's too soon to delete the entire article just because all the sources have not yet been found. We have many articles that are tagged
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either we should keep this article, or we could merge it into the film/TV chronology article. The two pages have in common the idea of listing the stories in chronological sequence as they occur in the story, rather than as they were broadcast or printed (since Dr Who involves time travel, that is an important distinction). Unless there is a WP policy reason for deletion, the article should stay. That said, it may be preferable to merge it into
1559:— none of them would be uncontroversially reliable. The BBC does not have a list of this sort, incorporating the non-TV media with the episodes and serials of the TV show. It's true that the fan pages could be used as sources for the list, but the problem is that they contradict each other, especially in the areas like the Sixth, Seventh and Eighth Doctors, where there is more material from the spin-offs than from the television series. It
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mean you allow other Doctor Who related pages and you worry about this one I mean I found this other page with just a few writing and no one worries about that. Is there at least anything I can do to make sure this page dosen't get deleted. I would appreciate that. Plus I was already thinking of improveing the page and I would love to try it out.
1331:. There should be some recognition of the effort involved, but this page unfortunately fails to meet the criteria for being kept. It overlaps existing articles, it requires OR and theories to place many of the non-television stories, it is really just a big list, and it is likely to devolve into an extensive collection of speculation. --
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it's organized by the age of the Doctor rather than the chronology of the episodes, then it does not overlap the others, so the bottom line is, is it original research? Without new references, apparently it is OR. But if the publisher's website provides new sourced information, we should consider that in making the determination. --
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this page will never be completed but they are wrong. I will use up all my spare time in completeing this page and I will show those that arn't arguing on this page about the Doctor Who saga but for those that just like to look up about Doctor Who for fun and information what it's all about. You can trust me on this.
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and not deleted while editors work to improve them. Also, as has been clarified in the discussions above, this article does not duplicate any other way of organizing the Dr. Who information so it can be a valuable article once it is supported by proper references. Meanwhile, info that does not have
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Victory93, can you tell us more about how the official Doctor Who website or the others are helping? Do you have references or links you could add to your article to show that the information is based on the official version from the publisher? That would make a difference to being able to keep the
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adventures are run sequentially on television. There two kinds of Dr Who novels: simple novelisations of the TV series (published out of sequence, sometimes many years after the original broadcast); there are also novels of adventures never seen on or proposed for television. All of these novels are
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This page I created is about the
Doctors life from start to today. I have looked at other pages of Doctor Who and none of them fit the exact information as of this page. This page may be long but truth is that other pages that may not refer to Doctor Who are alos very long. Some people may say that
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because after reading the further discussions here, I realize I don't have enough knowledge of this surprisingly complicated topic to make an informed choice. Now I want to watch the DVDs though,... how will I find any time to edit
Knowledge (XXG)? Maybe I could watch them and then go back to the
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If his information is supported by new references from the publisher, then it would not be speculation. There are many lists on
Knowledge (XXG), the questions here are - does this particular list have support from references, and does it duplicate other lists or provide different information? If
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I'm not disagreeing with your "delete" comment, since my position on this is "neutral". But I don't see how this particular list could be considered "fancruft" or "unencyclopedic" (a not well-defined term in general), when all of the lists you named could be considered forms of fancruft as well.
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The long and involved discussion on this page shows that this topic is of interest to many editors and readers. If after additional work it turns out that WP:OR cannot be fully removed from the article, it can be AfD'd later. But so much information has come up from this discussion, that editors
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Look I have done nothing wrong. This page has taken me a while to make and I'll be just sad if it's gotten rid of. I use up all of my spare time to make this and I have to ask permission to use the internet. Plus if there is anything wrong with it you can always edit it rather than just delete. I
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Yes this page is about the
Doctors life. From his youth of an old man to his old young self portrayed by David Tennant. This page is to show all the Doctor Who stories in order of the Doctors life and his companions. It is still progress of being completed so I would much ablige if it didn't get
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I created this page to show all of the
Doctors life in order from when he was young to today. It shows not just the television stories but the expanded universe. I want people to know that in the Doctor Who universe theres not just Daleks and Cybermen but there is also others like Krill and the
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to determine exactly where they fit, and b) while the novels and audios generally indicate where their stories are set with regard to the television series, they almost never indicate where they might be set with regard to each other. So (looking at the bottom of the list as it stands now), the
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That's interesting - I may have misunderstood that from looking at the article. If it's the order the stories were written rather than the time they were set in, that would make it easier to keep the list it would not be original research, ie publication dates can be verified. Do you have the
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Now that I've had a chance to review these articles, I see that this article does not exactly duplicate other similar articles. The difference is that in this one, books and radio/audio episodes are listed in addition to TV and film. That is valid information that does not appear elsewhere, so
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ordered from reliable sources, and an unordered list of stories with explanations of how the different sources treat them with respect to the Doctor's timeline. Simply put, there are enough reliable sources to improve this article without necessitating original research, and so it should not be
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AfD addresses the content of the article, not editor behavior, such as alleged incivility or removing a warning on his talk page. Those do not belong on this page and serve only to obscure the real question of whether or not the article should be deleted according to WP policies and consensus.
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My first inclination was to vote Delete because it didn't appear to be a true chronology; I envisioned that as the different times that the doctor visited, maybe that's what it is; maybe it's a list of the order in which episodes were telecast. Either way, no dates, which are the chron in the
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noted above exist, which while "written by fans" were as well-researched and peer-reviewed as many printed published books (especially the
Outpost Gallifrey one, which shows six primary researchers and acknowledges dozens of other people involved in vetting the information), there also exist
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can be applied and the stories can be listed separately from the main chronology, indicating where the different sources place them. Perhaps the best approach is to split this into sections for each incarnation of the Doctor, with each section containing an ordered list of stories which
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be possible to construct a list that pointed out that certain data points are unclear, or noted "such-and-such a source places this story here, but so-and-so places it there", but that would be awfully difficult to do without straying into original research.
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scourge. Also that the Doctor did not just travel with Rose and Sarah and others but also with others like Evelyn and
Frobisher. I just wanted show what happened to the Doctor in his entire life from start to finish. This page has no relation to the page:
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for a list of times the Doctor has visited. This was meant to be "the story of the Doctor's life", including not only the TV stories but the novels and audio plays which have been set "between" different TV stories.
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in the Doctor's life story unclear (it could be a future Doctor who's returned to Gallifrey — yes, I know it's been destroyed, but it hadn't been when Parkin wrote the book). Similarly, how do we know that
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There are many such articles in Knowledge (XXG), for all sorts of series of TV and books, and lots of it is there only by and for fans. So it's fancruft... so what? The main point is that if it's not
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clear, as in the characters saying "We just left such-and-such a planet") others could take place anywhere in a season, so placing them definitively between two television stories is original research.
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Yes that was me and yes it is about the Doctors life but story chronology of the Doctor's life and his companions which there isn't a page like this in Knowledge (XXG).
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chronology. However, Dr. Who has a loyal following and the author is working on this. Victory93, save this to your harddrive, just in case.
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