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568:- the reason for renomination is based on recent AfDs for similar articles that seem to indicate that the community's values for this kind of article have changed. I felt, given concerns (raised by someone on my talk page) that this is not-notable and a single-event internet meme, it doesn't really meet our inclusion guidelines. In short, I disregarded the previous AfDs because I felt that consensus on this topic might have changed. I think the discussion should stick to the article and its notability, not on the procedural point of whether it was ok to nominate it again 9-10 months after the last AfD. Best wishes 1671:, it has to be remembered that if it happened today or yesterday, it was news.... but if it happened 4 or 5 or 20 or 50 years ago, it has become history and can be treated properly in retrospect. Point here being is that wikipedia depends quite heavily on "news" as sources for its articles. Nearly everything within these pages was "news" at one time or another. The goal here is to give balanced coverage of a subject and source back to reliable sources... and that has been done. And to thos faling back on 1869:. And you guys are actually serious too which makes it all the more hilarious. Apparently some of you believe that inserting the word "incident" into the lede makes this article less about the girl and more about the shit but others of us (including the article title I might add) don't concur. None of you have felt it necessary to explain how this article is somehow immune to the defamation problems that 31: 1199:, from description of the incident to her quitting the university, to the fact that there was media reaction to the effect of the vigilatism. There is nothing here to merge because it is all already in the body of the more appropriate article. The sources in internet vigilatism might be different, but the content is essentially the same 1658:
of this odorferous article. The article is about an event and its many repercussions, and uses as article name, the "name" given the event in sources. The article is about the event and its repercussions, not about the woman. The woman discussed became herself a public figure when she personally made
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represents. But it's still an excellent illustrative example. All we really know about Attucks is that he caught a bullet. Attucks' notability comes entirely from later discussion of that one brief event. Look at the words in the quote you use..."frequently named"..."commonly remembered"..."he is
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This article is not about the person, it does not even name her or give any information about the person other than information relevant to the event itself, the article is about the event that took place and the consequences of such event (this is explicitly stated in the introduction). Since this
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How would the literal translation be the word "shit"? The word I assume is Korean or something for feces. The word "shit" carries with it a large number of different meanings including: feces, stuff, garbage, good stuff, something amazing, etc. -- so it's different than a generic word for feces.
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I'm unfamiliar with the details about Boxxy, but the deletion of the cat incident was a clear BLP violation because it focused on the negative actions of a minor. Nearly all the sources mentioned his name and he was the target of 4chan and others who have sworn to hunt the kid down and avenge the
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with the pattern of things that should not be on wikipedia according to our own policies and guidelines. (FWIW, reference 9 starts to comes near to historic notability - at least someone has reflected on the incident. Were there more coverage in the article of the reaction or even interest after
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is irrelevant. Notability policy also states 'notability is not temporary' and 'there is no need to show continual coverage or interest in the topic', as this was considered notable at the time and in 3 subsequent afds, it cannot simply become non-notabile because more time has passed.
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It's actually quite bad taste to even suggest the two are in the same league. BLP exists to mitigate the risk of defamation which is still clearly present here, per above. There has been no secondary analysis whatsoever and no precedent set - it's obviously ephemeral.
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article, however, it works fine. I haven't deleted the history, so anything else that people would like to move over to the other article is there, but I'd suggest that people don't try to recreate this article in the other one. A certain level of detail is fine.
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BLP. We need to write articles about people (what this ostensibly is) with respect to their privacy. Even if no-one else did. As it stands, this person is notable for only one event. It's simply a BLP with frilly little bit reaction pieces.
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article is especially convincing. This person isn't really notable for a single event, they are notable for the reaction and international discussion that event generated. Is it really fair this is up for deletion for a 4th time?
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Yep. In my view the substance is the same, even if this current article is more verbose in saying it. I gain no additional information from the article than I do from the subsection. I am aware that this is subjective, however.
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Well, the featured girl considered committing suicide many times, and the one-time incident that occurred in South Korea about 3 and half years ago is notable enough to keep as an "article page"? Knowledge (XXG) is not
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I think you have misunderstood me, I'm not saying that I am going to keep renominating it, its just that I feel that its likely to be renominated multiple times. This certainly won't be the last AfD for this article.
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Further non-news sources. The incident is mentioned in several books and a paper, one published 2 years after the event suggesting lasting significance and putting this incident beyond a mere news event.
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The guidelines about avoiding people famous for a single event are very important and useful but we have to consider the amount of discussion that event generates in academic/intellectual circles.
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is to avoid defamation and whether explicitly named or not the individual is readily identifiable from the information presented. As such I'd say all the votes citing BLP* are absolutely valid.
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establishes that "Knowledge (XXG) is not a news source: it takes more than just a short burst of news reports about a single event or topic to constitute evidence of sufficient notability."
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It's kind of a weak argument to compare this article to Mark David Chapman. The latter killed one of the United Kingdom's most famous musicians. The former... let her dog shit on a floor.
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I can see no guideline that limits the amount of times an article can be nominated. I suspect the list of AfD's for this article may keep growing until it eventually gets deleted.
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regardless of article merit, that would an inappropriate use of AfD. After only 4 nominations, given a 20% variation in results, there's over a 50% chance of deleting anything.
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When you get into newspaper blogs, they move away from the traditional meaning of "blog" and towards an editorial piece. I specifically remembering it appearing in print media.
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I voted to keep this way back in 2006, but it doesn't fit our community standards currently in light of BLP. Perhaps some aspects could be merged into other articles though.
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is a violation. And it does demonstrate hitorical notability as shown by its multiple sources... heck, I love that the failed 2005 deletion effort itself even made the news:
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etc. my understanding of the English language is that the subject of the article is actually the girl ("dog poop" is an identifier/adjective) and her action. The purpose of
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a public apology. So covering her (in)actions, the public's outcry, the subsequent results, and her public aplogy is not a BLP violation... no more than an article about
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No valid reason for deletion given in the nomination. Event is obviously notable with sourced coverage clear in the article. Suggest reading deletion policy in future. --
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says "'dog poop girl,' also known as the 'puppy poo girl,'". It seems we should follow the lead of these major English language newspapers. BTW, did anyone notice that
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It seems pretty focused on that to me. Aside from the explaination of the incident which is necessary, the rest is about the reaction on the internet and media. --
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exists to avoid given its victim is readily identifiable (including from the references) and until you do, so far as I'm concerned this falls squarely under the
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regarded"...and the rest of the article is the same. He was at the wrong place at the the right time; the subsequent discussion made him notable. --
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He has been frequently named as the first martyr of the American Revolution and is the only Boston Massacre victim whose name is commonly remembered.
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information is preserved without expanding that article too far), but there hasn't been a single viable justification for a deletion given yet. --
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This article does not demonstrate any historic notability. It is merely news based on a short burst of news reports about a single event. It fits
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what is in the article. It was a mistake to nominate this article for deletion in the first place. Perhaps a merge to the article on
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I agree with other editors that this sort of thing should feature in Wikinews. Some of the stuff might be salvageable for the
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Mixed opinions on keeping it. But as to renaming: Per the article discussion page, the more literal translation would be
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Crispus Attucks (c. 1723 โ€“ March 5, 1770) was one of five people killed in the Boston Massacre in Boston, Massachusetts.
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also notes "On Knowledge (XXG) there's already a 'dog poop girl' entry logged, and a movement to delete it"ย ? --
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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While consensus might chance, the nominator gave no argument as to why the previous outcome shouldn't stand. -
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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2005, the article might qualify for historical notability. Meanwhile some of the content could be merged into
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per Atama and sources listed directly above. Plus the "try try again" nature of the nom is troubling.
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If it can't be merged, then I'd say to leave it be. Deleting it doesn't seem justified by policy. --
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Why suggest delete and link to a policy statement that clear states "Notability is not temporary"? --
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and the attempt to PROD the article shows a lack of attention to the numerous previous discussions.
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It's patently not a biography article; it doesn't even name the person. BLP does not apply here.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Neither of those policies apply to this article. It is neither a bio nor a news event. --
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I am hardly numb to the gravity of what Attucks represents versus the banality of what
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BLP1E. Any arguments for keeping it because it's a "meme" don't really work after the
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need not be mentioned by nameโ€”the plaintiff only needs to be reasonably identifiable
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Just an example or how "one event" as news has ramifications that become historic.
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It has mention in major newspapers around the world. This is a notable event.
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as there are obvious places one might merge this rather than delete it such as
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is only famous for a single event as well, but we wouldn't send him to AfD. --
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is protected from recreation, then this article is likely not notable enough.
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He is regarded as an important and inspirational figure in American history.
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Keep the examples coming guys, you're cracking me up. So far we've seen a
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not a person. The lead clearly states that. It is better to compare it to
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article for the same reasons. Aside from that, the article is shown to be
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cat. That's clearly a case where privacy should be our primary concern. -
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anyone)? isn't notable enough to stand as an individual article. In the
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As has been pointed out countless times, this is not a bio article so
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is not a biographical article any suggestions of deletion based on
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article uses the "loosely translated" term "Dog Poop Girl" (note
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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The content here already exists as a subsection of that article
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as an argument, this is not a BLP and ONEEVENT does not apply.
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To state a defamation claim, the person claiming defamation
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Contested PROD. Non-notable, single event internet meme.
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establishes that articles must have "historic notability"
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then this "man bites dog" filler story certainly isn't.
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clearly applies here and the previous AfDs should stand
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international coverage) is not clearly notable even on
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so no merge necessary. If the serious crime covered in
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A brief summary, linking to the full article, exist in
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657:. There's no need to keep having this discussion, 1997:Greek Rural Postmen and Their Cancellation Numbers 288:- The Boxxy article was deleted because it lacked 68:). No further edits should be made to this page. 2079:). No further edits should be made to this page. 1195:the information specific to this incident is on 1097:. Let us pause to examine policy in this area. 1057:It's something you'd find under "Weird News". 1565:- per Smallman12q's & Atama's reasoning. 618:. Perhaps article title should be salted too. 802:let's see the intro of the compared article. 8: 1877:policy irrespective of how you reword it. 1439:: No need to merge what is already there: 361:list of Korea-related deletion discussions 355: 1991:. It's as essential to our existance as 1902:Notable and covered in RS. I fluffed the 359:: This debate has been included in the 699:got deleted, and the even more notable 337:. Sourced article for a notable event; 110: 45:For an explanation of the process, see 2021:All of the things you have listed are 1812:. The same applies to this article. -- 1775:Thank you for correcting my spelling. 1989:list of woodlice of the British Isles 1472:miserably, not historically notable ( 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 1810:Knowledge (XXG):Notability_(people) 113:Articles for deletion/Dog poop girl 108: 1480:). Dupe of information already in 1397:If you consider the guidelines at 1127:, which would be a better fit. -- 691:- well if more notable things the 77:Internet_vigilantism#Dog_Poop_Girl 24: 1441:Internet_vigilante#Dog_Poop_Girl 663:until something actually changes 41:deletion review on 2009 March 10 29: 2028:, and in contrast to this shit 1348:are as invalid as deleting the 995:The nomination obviously fails 47:Knowledge (XXG):Deletion review 659:WP:KEEPLISTINGTILITGETSDELETED 1: 810:. 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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
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10:58, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
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Articles for deletion/Dog poop girl
Articles for deletion/Dog poop girl (2nd nomination)
Articles for deletion/Dog poop girl (3rd nomination)
Articles for deletion/Dog poop girl (4th nomination)
Dog poop girl
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