568:- the reason for renomination is based on recent AfDs for similar articles that seem to indicate that the community's values for this kind of article have changed. I felt, given concerns (raised by someone on my talk page) that this is not-notable and a single-event internet meme, it doesn't really meet our inclusion guidelines. In short, I disregarded the previous AfDs because I felt that consensus on this topic might have changed. I think the discussion should stick to the article and its notability, not on the procedural point of whether it was ok to nominate it again 9-10 months after the last AfD. Best wishes
1671:, it has to be remembered that if it happened today or yesterday, it was news.... but if it happened 4 or 5 or 20 or 50 years ago, it has become history and can be treated properly in retrospect. Point here being is that wikipedia depends quite heavily on "news" as sources for its articles. Nearly everything within these pages was "news" at one time or another. The goal here is to give balanced coverage of a subject and source back to reliable sources... and that has been done. And to thos faling back on
1869:. And you guys are actually serious too which makes it all the more hilarious. Apparently some of you believe that inserting the word "incident" into the lede makes this article less about the girl and more about the shit but others of us (including the article title I might add) don't concur. None of you have felt it necessary to explain how this article is somehow immune to the defamation problems that
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How would the literal translation be the word "shit"? The word I assume is Korean or something for feces. The word "shit" carries with it a large number of different meanings including: feces, stuff, garbage, good stuff, something amazing, etc. -- so it's different than a generic word for feces.
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