392:(about 3 or 4 of the articles focus specifically on him). He was also a first-round draft pick in the 2008 SuperDraft - I believe we have kept several of those articles in the past (now it's mostly a moot point since most of those players have made appearances in MLS by now). Incidentally, this is pretty much irrelevant but it seems quite strange that we should have articles on every MLS keeper, most of whom are American, yet we are going to delete an article on the guy who Bob Bradley has selected over all but
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