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392:(about 3 or 4 of the articles focus specifically on him). He was also a first-round draft pick in the 2008 SuperDraft - I believe we have kept several of those articles in the past (now it's mostly a moot point since most of those players have made appearances in MLS by now). Incidentally, this is pretty much irrelevant but it seems quite strange that we should have articles on every MLS keeper, most of whom are American, yet we are going to delete an article on the guy who Bob Bradley has selected over all but 453:), which states he has to 1. play on a fully professionally club (which he doesn't), 2. played in a competitive fixture between to fnpl clubs such as the fa cup or equivalent (which he hasn't), 3. play a senior international game or in the olympics (which he hasn't). Rule 4 would not apply as he is not pre-professional era. The fact that he will "eventually" play in the Olympics is null and void due to 522:
once or twice, but the fact is, one must take into account the different systems used in sports throughout the world - in the US, only a select few players actually play professionally before finishing four years of college, while in Europe, it's even more unheard of for a professional footballer to
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He meets it clause (a) as both the U-23 Men's Team and the full National Team are professionals participating in the Olympic league or the World Cup league. A league is not so myopic to be defined as the MLS or OPL. Just in case you are not aware, the players on the National Team do get paid to
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Keep - The definition of notable athlete is: WP:ATHLETE Competitors who have competed in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis. Competitors who have competed at the highest level in amateur sports.
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to the letter excludes some perfectly notable Brazilian footballers because of the dichotomy between state and national competitions (oh, wait, no it doesn't - but that's an argument for another place altogether), and it does as well to some notable Americans.
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are all considered notable, not because they have played in the highest level of professional sports (they haven't), but because one can find reliable third-party sources focusing on their college careers. Yes, in the five years I've been here I have heard of
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This is what I don't understand - it appears that American footballers aren't considered American athletes, because notable college athletes in other sports, including
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often became University Stars XI, but they were yet to be professional despite played for U23/U20 team. Also, he is not the unused second goalkeeper against Barbados.
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play for their Country's team and there is not a higher level team than your Country team. National team soccer is not an amateur sport, even in the Olympics.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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as the person has not competed in the highest level of amateur sports, nor is in professional sports.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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University soccer is a common way of American soccer player to become professional,
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does not make a player notable unless he actually features in a game. --
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Do Olympic qualifying matches provide notability? I thought they did.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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a senior team, so I don't really think it confers notability. --
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for WC qualifiers! But as I say, that's irrelevant, I guess.
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notability criteria all the same. Please note that per
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succeed after going to college for 4 years. Applying
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
WP:ATHLETE
WP:BIO
reliable sources
Sher
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16:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Dominic Cervi
Dominic Cervi
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
notability
GauchoDude
talk
02:00, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
WP:ATHLETE
ff
m
15:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
list of Football-related deletion discussions

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