606:"Knowledge articles about a person, company, or organization are not an extension of their website, press releases, or other social media marketing efforts." Campaign rhetoric and character assassinations, leading up to a presidential election. And-or for daily postings in his legal issues/comments. It gives his supporters a cut and paste quickie for their social network postings. This would amount to a forum in the guise of a Knowledge article. We really shouldn't be giving any candidate this.
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651:, nor should an article on either of these topics be taken as an excuse to continue omitting discussion of the scholarly literature and extremely extensive media coverage of Trump's authoritarian inclinations or statements from the main article. That omission of one of the most widely written about aspects of the man continues to be scandalous.
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for now. Needs lots of work and attention, which I hope will be sparked by this AfD. There are many secondary and tertiary RS publications to support relevant content. It's possible the page title will be tweaked, and it should not be viewed as a fork of the main Trump page, where there's obstinate,
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782:- fwiw this whole book is on the topic: Jennifer Mercieca Demagogue for President: The Rhetorical Genius of Donald Trump - ISBN 978-1623499068 - she outlines a lot of specific techniques he uses and why they're effective.
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