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notability. Just think of the kinds of people we would have to keep articles about if just showing a couple of pieces of purely local coverage was all it took to get a person into
Knowledge (XXG): every city councillor on earth; every mayor of a no-horse village with a population of 10; everybody who ever opened a small retail boutique or a cheese shop or a craft brewery; everybody who was ever president of an elementary school parent-teacher association or a library board or a low-income housing cooperative; every school board trustee; every teenager who ever had two pieces of human interest coverage about them trying out for a high school football team despite having less or more than the usual number of toes; winners of high school battle of the bands or poetry contests; my mother's neighbour who once got into the local papers for finding a stray pig in her front yard; and me. So the bar that a person has to clear to get into Knowledge (XXG) is not just that a couple of pieces of local media coverage happen to exist — the bar a person has to clear to get into Knowledge (XXG), as a rule,
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they're notable enough to create my first pages but not so notable that they've 1) already been created or 2) might create a scenario in which I don't have the ability to create such a large page. I have two jobs so my ability to go in and edit continuously with updated information and/or edit multiple other pages is not something that is a priority - it is hard to try and find information not already there and/or find information that needs fixed. I see now devoting much more of my time should have been a priority or else editors don't want your participation in the encyclopedia.
540:. In all sincerity, I know it's disappointing when an article you have created is nominated for deletion. You aren't supposed to take it personally when it happens but we're human and we do, but at the end of the day if the subject is deemed by consensus not to meet notability standards then it doesn't. It happens to all of us, I've even had to nominate an article that I myself created for deletion because I realized the subject wasn't notable. I hope this gives you some guidance. Best,
532:, but honestly I don't believe the subject meets Knowledge (XXG)'s notability standards. Being an executive for a national company isn't much help in that regard as there are thousands of nationwide companies, most of which employ a bunch of executives. Same goes for running for office, there are thousands of Americans who stand for election each year and even had he been elected it's not a guarantee he'd pass either
394:, like losing a city council election, that is not notable in its own right either. GNG is not a matter of "anybody who can show that their name has made it into any newspaper two or more times is automatically guaranteed a Knowledge (XXG) article" — GNG also tests for the depth of how substantively any source is or isn't
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Great, i'm continuing to learn. As an active member of wikipedia that is charged with helping the community (and its members) grow, I think it would be more in line to edit the page and add this information and sources, instead of deleting the page entirely. As an executive of a national company that
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In what scenario do either of those articles provide information/sourcing that is relevant to the objective writing standards of wikipedia? I have no affiliation with either page that i've created, and began working with wikipedia through
Wikiwomen organization. I chose these two subjects because
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I'd say that the executive of addiction recovery centers stepping down from his position shortly after client deaths is incredibly pertinent to the subject and it would be beneath
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Exactly, he is a local notable figure. Nowhere in
Wikiguidelines does it say that anyone with a wikipage must have global representation in order to be considered notable. If this was the case, you need to delete far more pages. Local notability still warrants a page.
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