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391:, which could be verified by somebody with access to a good enough library, or a subscription, in the latter case. (These reviews are critical of Talbott and, by extension, Velikovsky's ideas so I doubt the Velikovsky Encyclopaedia would have made them up.) The theories are fringe nonsense but I think there's enough coverage of them. 386: 409:
Forbidden History and Velikovsky Encyclopaedia are not reliable sources so are irrelevant. "The Pseudoscience Wars: Immanuel Velikovsky and the Birth of the Modern Fringe" does not appear to give significant coverage to Talbott (it mentions the Talbotts in conjuction with the events surrounding the
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Especially when anyone can join the Natural Philosophy Alliance and any member can submit a paper to be presented at the conference, which appears not to be selective or peer-reviewed. "Might have been included in a popular science book if its author had visited a conference she didn't actually
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No significant coverage in reliable sources. Nearly all the sources in the article are primary or unreliable, and not indicative of actual notability in the greater world. From independent sources with a reputation for fact checking I see a few passing mentions but nothing concrete.
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merits an entry by virtue of his being the most successful of the next generation acolytes. Granted reliable sources are scarce; but possibly a supportive editor might be able to provide acceptible sourcing for Talbott's recent activities such as membership in the
535:). Why would membership of the Natural Philosophy Alliance indicate notability? I also don't see how speaking at a conference shows notability, many non-notable people speak at conferences. I am non-notable, I have spoken at conferences. 197: 599:. Consensus changes over time, and it's by discussing things that we realize where the consensus is, it's not by simply deferring to all previous decisions in the past. Bear in mind the last nomination was 358: 246: 95: 90: 85: 364: 577:
only because the article has been nominated for deletion in the past and has survived twice. If I had been in the first two debates, I would have voted to delete, but nothing has changed.
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members as presenters and registrants to the NPA conferences in 2011 in College Park, Maryland, and 2012 in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Had
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Already kept at two previous AfDs. What has changed since then? If he was notable then, he's still notable now.
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has a few pages of biographical information and discussion of his theories, spread through the book. The
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attended the 2011 NPA conference, along with 2010, Talbott might well have been featured in her recent
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reliable but which I was unable to access, since they're 33 years old and not freely available online.
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I wasn't claiming that the Velikovsky Encyclopaedia is reliable (indeed, I explicitly said it
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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is not itself a reliable source but cites three reviews of Talbot's 1980 book
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more notable Velikovksy). Reviews of books are not reviews of an author,
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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visit" is not a form of notability that is described at
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spends several pages discussing Talbott's theories;
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603:, and policies have changed considerably since. 43:). No further edits should be made to this page. 634:). No further edits should be made to this page. 218: 8: 267:list of Authors-related deletion discussions 265:Note: This debate has been included in the 245:Note: This debate has been included in the 264: 244: 78: 471:and his leading a large contingent of 7: 595:That is not a reason by policy, see 495:reinforces Talbott's "notability". 81:Articles for deletion/David Talbott 76: 24: 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 1: 531:Notability is not inherited ( 469:Natural Philosophy Alliance 651: 564:23:26, 29 April 2013 (UTC) 545:23:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC) 505:23:02, 28 April 2013 (UTC) 442:10:55, 27 April 2013 (UTC) 420:10:48, 27 April 2013 (UTC) 401:10:31, 27 April 2013 (UTC) 350:07:14, 27 April 2013 (UTC) 317:10:53, 27 April 2013 (UTC) 299:00:54, 27 April 2013 (UTC) 279:20:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC) 259:20:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC) 239:19:15, 25 April 2013 (UTC) 388:Christian Science Monitor 623:Please do not modify it. 371:Velikovsky Encyclopaedia 32:Please do not modify it. 613:17:23, 3 May 2013 (UTC) 587:17:13, 3 May 2013 (UTC) 64:20:08, 3 May 2013 (UTC) 493:The Pseudoscience Wars 307:Consensus can change. 75:AfDs for this article: 522:few or no other edits 481:Physics on the Fringe 524:outside this topic. 473:Thunderbolts Project 462:are justified, then 456:Immanuel Velikovsky 454:If the entries for 489:Sic transit gloria 379:Publisher's Weekly 48:The result was 525: 477:Margaret Wertheim 360:Forbidden History 281: 261: 642: 625: 507: 460:Alfred de Grazia 223: 222: 208: 160: 148: 130: 60: 34: 650: 649: 645: 644: 643: 641: 640: 639: 638: 632:deletion review 621: 579:Robert McClenon 383:Library Journal 375:The Saturn Myth 165: 156: 121: 105: 102: 100: 73: 58: 41:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 648: 646: 637: 636: 617: 616: 615: 590: 589: 571: 570: 569: 568: 567: 566: 449: 448: 447: 446: 445: 444: 404: 403: 352: 322: 321: 320: 319: 302: 301: 283: 282: 262: 226: 225: 162: 101: 99: 98: 93: 88: 83: 77: 74: 72: 67: 46: 45: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 647: 635: 633: 629: 624: 618: 614: 610: 606: 602: 598: 594: 593: 592: 591: 588: 584: 580: 576: 573: 572: 565: 561: 557: 553: 552:WP:NOTABILITY 548: 547: 546: 542: 538: 534: 530: 529: 528: 527: 526: 523: 519: 515: 511: 506: 502: 498: 494: 490: 486: 482: 478: 474: 470: 465: 464:David Talbott 461: 457: 453: 443: 439: 435: 431: 427: 423: 422: 421: 417: 413: 408: 407: 406: 405: 402: 398: 394: 390: 389: 384: 380: 376: 372: 368: 367: 362: 361: 356: 353: 351: 347: 343: 339: 335: 331: 327: 324: 323: 318: 314: 310: 306: 305: 304: 303: 300: 296: 292: 288: 285: 284: 280: 276: 272: 268: 263: 260: 256: 252: 248: 243: 242: 241: 240: 236: 232: 221: 217: 214: 211: 207: 203: 199: 196: 193: 190: 187: 184: 181: 178: 175: 171: 168: 167:Find sources: 163: 159: 155: 152: 146: 142: 138: 134: 129: 125: 120: 116: 112: 108: 107:David Talbott 104: 103: 97: 94: 92: 89: 87: 84: 82: 79: 71: 70:David Talbott 68: 66: 65: 62: 61: 56: 51: 44: 42: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 622: 619: 600: 574: 533:WP:INHERITED 492: 488: 480: 451: 450: 429: 425: 387: 382: 378: 374: 365: 359: 354: 328:for failing 325: 286: 227: 215: 209: 201: 194: 188: 182: 176: 166: 153: 53: 49: 47: 31: 28: 601:4 years ago 597:WP:NOTAGAIN 520:) has made 483:along with 192:free images 485:Jim Carter 628:talk page 605:IRWolfie- 556:Dricherby 537:IRWolfie- 510:Phaedrus7 497:Phaedrus7 434:Dricherby 412:IRWolfie- 393:Dricherby 330:WP:AUTHOR 309:IRWolfie- 291:Dricherby 271:• Gene93k 251:• Gene93k 231:IRWolfie- 37:talk page 630:or in a 518:contribs 151:View log 39:or in a 287:Comment 198:WP refs 186:scholar 124:protect 119:history 59:Faraone 342:Qworty 338:WP:GNG 336:, and 326:Delete 170:Google 128:delete 426:isn't 334:WP:BK 213:JSTOR 174:books 158:Stats 145:views 137:watch 133:links 16:< 609:talk 583:talk 575:Keep 560:talk 541:talk 514:talk 501:talk 458:and 452:Keep 438:talk 416:talk 397:talk 385:and 355:Keep 346:talk 313:talk 295:talk 275:talk 255:talk 235:talk 206:FENS 180:news 141:logs 115:talk 111:edit 50:keep 430:are 220:TWL 149:– ( 611:) 585:) 562:) 554:. 543:) 516:• 508:— 503:) 487:. 440:) 418:) 399:) 381:, 348:) 340:. 332:, 315:) 297:) 277:) 269:. 257:) 249:. 237:) 200:) 143:| 139:| 135:| 131:| 126:| 122:| 117:| 113:| 52:. 607:( 581:( 558:( 539:( 512:( 499:( 436:( 414:( 395:( 377:( 344:( 311:( 293:( 273:( 253:( 233:( 224:) 216:· 210:· 202:· 195:· 189:· 183:· 177:· 172:( 164:( 161:) 154:· 147:) 109:( 55:L

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