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489:. With reasonably high-profile public figures like this, we need to be sure we're getting things absolutely right, and it's not clear that the translation here is doing that. However, I think it's almost certain that the subject is notable, so if the concern is accuracy, why not send it to draft? That way, we can keep what is reasonable to keep and get rid of the bad machine-translated bits. And if S Marshall's concern is a lack of AfC quality control, draftifying seems a fair solution. 561:
and 2) if not, draftifying to allow clean-up can occur. Also, where's the repeated recreation? Looking at the logs, it's only been re-created once, and there's also no evidence that one person has been repeatedly re-creating it against consensus. Of course, It's possible that I missed something, in which case I will reconsider my !vote. Best,
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to allow clean-up. If notability isn't in question, deletion shouldn't be happen (in the majority of cases; there are of course exceptions such as TNT and copyvio). I agree machine translations shouldn't remain untouched, but I 1) don't see convincing evidence that a good stuffification won't stick,
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Because dropping a raw machine translation into en.wiki takes seconds, but repairing a raw machine translation takes a long time to do right; and it's always easier to retranslate from scratch than to repair. That's why we have this longstanding rule that a raw machine translation is worse than a
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The article's been re-created as a raw machine translation a few times now, and I think it's on someone's bucket list of Articles Knowledge Should Have. I'm trying to force the next version to go through AFC for quality control, as I'm sure any stubbification would be
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there are reliable sources available and some already exist in the article but the major concern here is the translation. I will like to fix it but I'm handicapped here because I do not understand French.
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as has reliable sources coverage. The nominator has a good standard of French according to his userbox so why not just fix it, imv
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On reviewing this article, I note that the text is a lightly-obfuscated raw machine translation of
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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